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NBT: My new (white) orange ring-a-ding-ding bike!
Well, it’s actually white, ( apart from the KTM rad guards) as it’s a Husqvarna, but as we all know it is really just a KTM in a different frock
This one is a 2019 TE300i, a one owner bike with 83 hrs and 1,300 miles on it.
So, why did I buy it?
The short answer is that I fancied trying a KTM 250 EXC or Husky TE250, and couldn’t find one that I wanted that wasn’t 500 miles or more away from me.
The longer answer is that although I absolutely love my trusty old 525EXC (there’s a little thread on it here
http://revtothelimit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=4820 for anyone who is interested and hasn’t already read it), I love 2-strokes and have always had a hankering to also have a road-legal off-road smoker in the garage.
It’s never been the plan to have one as my only off-roader- I’ve owned the 525 since it was nearly new, it’s 20 years old now and we’ve done so much together that I’m more attached to it than I m any bike, and so it will get used by me as despite it’s age, it’s still a very competent bike and a lot of fun to ride- the way I’m viewing it is like I view shorts- it’s good to have more than one favourite pair
It will also be good to have a “spare” bike in case one is ever in pieces or waiting for parts etc when I want to ride, or any mates need it, or just fancy trying a bit of laning- maybe we’ll manage to tempt @weeksy out for a gentle bimble one of these days...
Anyway, I digress- so why this one?
In terms of 2-stroke off-roaders, my previous ownership has been limited to crossers (YZ400 & KX250), and aside from a TS250, DT400, and DT175 as they really don;’y count as “ proper” in my book, I’ve only ever ridden one other proper road legal off-roader, which was a KTM 200EXC some 10 years or so ago.
I loved it at the time but decided I wouldn’t want it as my only off-roader, far too many compromises and potential downsides for the type of riding I do , which although I always van the bike to the start of the ride, they are typically 100-ish mile days, and usually include a fair bit of tarmac in between the lanes.
I know from both what I’ve read over the years and talking to owners, that 2-strokes have moved on considerably in the last 10 years or so and specifically since they’ve started fuel-injecting them.
As part of that, you also don’t have to faff about with pre-mix on the FI KTMs/Husqvarna/GasGas range , they all have a separate oil tank and (electric) oil pump.
The electric start ( a very high priority for me on any green-lane type bike I have) has also been considerably improved over the last few years on them- up until 2018-ish it was a real Heath-Robinson add-on on the KTM/Husky smokers, and notoriously unreliable- just a shit design really.
Of course, with KTM as they now are, they badge and market what are essentially the same bikes throughout the road and off-road ranges as either KTM, Husquvarna or Gas-Gas, with Huskys being the premium brand, GasGas the cheapest and KTM in the middle.
Alongside the KTM/Husky/GasGas, I also had a serious look at buying a new GPX TSE250.
For anyone who doesn't already know, these are basically a Chinese clone of a Yam engine and KTM cycle parts. They’ve been out at least a couple of years now, have been getting good reviews from owners and are dirt ( ) cheap- £5k-odd compared to the £8-10k of the nearest equivilent KTM/Husky. Anyway, looking was pretty much all I did and I decided that I’d prefer to stick with the orange
I was ideally looking for a KTM, for the main reason that the Huskys and GasGas have rear suspension linkages and the KTM doesn’t. Whilst it can be argued that the linkage arrangement is both technically and functionally superior over the KTMs, which just bolts straight to the swinging arm, at my level I’ve always found it great, and importantly for me, there is nothing sticking out underneath the swing-arm to get clouted and potentially damaged on some of the knarly rocky climbs we do.
I also ideally wanted the 250 rather than the 300, as although they are identical apart from the top end of the motor, they are (so I read) significantly different in character, with the 250 being more traditional 2-stroke and top-endy in terms of power, the way 2-strokes make their power has always been a love of mine and so this appealed to me
In fact, I ended up with neither of those, as this is a Husqvarna TE300i- I’d decided that I wasn’t buying new, so in the area I’d decided to look at ( 2 or 3 years old, with low hours/miles green-lane rather than enduro/race use) and ideally one owner / loved, the 250s I found were either too far away, or had a harder life than I wanted, so I compromised.
The reality is I didn’t really know whether I’d like or hate any of them never having ridden any of the options, but I share the same approach as Tiepin in that I buy something, and if I don’t like it, or fancy something else more, then I sell it.
The one I bought is a one-owner bike, and I bought it directly from the owner, so known history and all the books, receipts etc.
It has been used as intended so is by no means immaculate, but it has been loved and had some useful additions ( that I would have bought if it dodn’t have them ) such as engine case/exhaust port, wheel bearing and suspension linkage protections, along with one that I wouldn’t in the (Marquez?) sticker kit, but that’s easily changed if I choose to.
It also had a carbon fibre exhaust protector, which had a fair bit of damage from an off and looked scabby, but the good news was it had definitely done its job as underneath it, the damage to the pipe was minimal, so I ordered another one up, and it arrived last Friday, the day before my scheduled first proper outing on it, so that has now been fitted.
It’s also been tested too as of the week-end and has survived unscathed as it was clay I went down on, but the pipe is so sticky-outy and vulnerable on these it’s bound to get damaged over time.
The bike had been just sitting unused in the previous owner’s garage unused for the last year and a bit, so although it was due its first MOT last year, it hadn’t happened so I had to get that sorted, with of course a good check-over from me first, and the purchase and fitting of a legal size rear plate for the MOT.
I also wired in a little 12v to USB power supply for my Garmin , took a feed from the lighting circuit so I don’t have to worry about flattening the battery.
The good news is that it had had a new piston and oil pump 3 hrs previously at 80hrs as recommended by KTM, and it was also wearing a brand-spankers pair of Mitas enduro tyres that had not touched the ground since fitted, a nice little bonus as they are by far my off-road tyre of choice, and what I would have put on it, if needed.
MOT was of course just a formality, so as soon as I got back, I taxed and insured it, filled it up with Super and took it out on the (tarmac) B-roads around here, just to give it a bit of a shake-down before it’s first proper ride which was planned to be a 120ish miler on Hants and Wilts lanes, and here it is nestling in the Buckinghamshire countryside last Friday before I fitted the new exhaust protector
I did approx 20 road miles, and I have to say, first impressions were pretty underwhelming- the bike itself all seemed good, but I was expecting it to be much faster/ more power-bandy than it seemed to be.
Riding any of these bikes on the road isn’t of course their intended environment and not a good test, but I have to say I was slightly disappointed.
Some of it was undoubtedly due to the much shorter gearing on it than I have on my 525, which meant I was in top in seconds and flat out at 65-70, whereas the 525 easily pulls 90+ in a flash.
As I say, all very largely irrelevant on a bike like this, but whereas the 525 lifts the wheel in 3rd or 4th if you want, the 300 just seemed to run out of revs every time I opened the throttle with no wheel lifting.
Anyway, got it home, fitted the new exhaust guard, filled it up with fuel, checked tyre pressures and in the van it went.
And this was Saturday’s planned ride route
Some great (and very slippy) lanes, but a fair bit of tarmac in between on this route, which on reflection made it an excellent test for the new bike.
And I have to say, it was brilliant- my meh-ness of the previous day disappeared pretty much on hitting the first lane, I can see why the serious enduro boys (and Yorick ) like this motor, pulls from absolutely nowhere and really flies.
Overall there is probably only 6kg or so weight difference between it and my trusty old orange girl ( 106 v 112kg) but as anyone who rides off-road knows, weight (or lack of it is key), and the 300 feels just that little bit more nimble- perfect novice bike IMO in that respect.
But the biggest revelation to me is how civilised they've managed to make a 2-stroke- it’s even Euro4 FFS!
Gone are the days of fannying about with over-rich chokes from cold, oily drippy tailpipes and having to “clear its throat or worrying about it oiling up after tootling at low revs for extended periods, and almost 4-stroke-like in that respect, it just goes.
And the fuelling at constant throttle on the road- although it sounds like it’s 4-stroking sometimes, you can cruise along at whatever throttle opening you choose- no surging or having to pick one speed only or speed up and slow down all the time like you might have to on pretty much any other (non FI) 2-stroke, it is just so civilised.
It was an absolutely cracking day, the only slight negative in its performance was the suspension, which I’m sorting this week.
The original owner is a fairly hefty unit and had it re-sprung for his (not inconsiderable) weight, and although I’m no racing snake, it is massively over-sprung for me and was a bit of a bone shaker t times.
The standard rear spring on these is a 48N/mm, it’s currently wearing a 63 which is a massive difference.
Similar, although not quite as severe, story with the front-std springs are 4.4 or 4.6N/mm, and it’s currently wearing 5.2s.
The good news is I got the originals with the bike (and a 54 rear too which was what he first tried and still too soft for him), so I’ll swap them back to standard over the next week or so before the next ride.
I’ve also got some new grips, levers and hand guards to replace the originals- why Husky bother with those silly non-wrap-around hand guards on an enduro bike beats me- my old 525 is still wearing the original 20 YO wrap-around KTM ones, they have saved the grips, levers, bars etc and me from damage more times than I can count so some of those are also going on too.
Other things that I will probably do will be to raise the gearing a bit when it needs chain and sprockets, and possibly change the sticker back to standard, or maybe one of the retro-Husky kits you can get to make them look like a resto-modded 70s/80s bike- that might be cool.
I’ve also ordered and will be fitting an ignition switch- I know it wouldn’t stop somebody nicking it if they wanted to, but it will mean that somebody can’t just walk up to it, push the button it and ride it away on a petrol station forecourt or if I park it outside a cafe etc
Anyway, suffice to say our first date went well and I’m very happy with my purchase so far- more to follow as our relationship progresses!
This one is a 2019 TE300i, a one owner bike with 83 hrs and 1,300 miles on it.
So, why did I buy it?
The short answer is that I fancied trying a KTM 250 EXC or Husky TE250, and couldn’t find one that I wanted that wasn’t 500 miles or more away from me.
The longer answer is that although I absolutely love my trusty old 525EXC (there’s a little thread on it here
http://revtothelimit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=4820 for anyone who is interested and hasn’t already read it), I love 2-strokes and have always had a hankering to also have a road-legal off-road smoker in the garage.
It’s never been the plan to have one as my only off-roader- I’ve owned the 525 since it was nearly new, it’s 20 years old now and we’ve done so much together that I’m more attached to it than I m any bike, and so it will get used by me as despite it’s age, it’s still a very competent bike and a lot of fun to ride- the way I’m viewing it is like I view shorts- it’s good to have more than one favourite pair
It will also be good to have a “spare” bike in case one is ever in pieces or waiting for parts etc when I want to ride, or any mates need it, or just fancy trying a bit of laning- maybe we’ll manage to tempt @weeksy out for a gentle bimble one of these days...
Anyway, I digress- so why this one?
In terms of 2-stroke off-roaders, my previous ownership has been limited to crossers (YZ400 & KX250), and aside from a TS250, DT400, and DT175 as they really don;’y count as “ proper” in my book, I’ve only ever ridden one other proper road legal off-roader, which was a KTM 200EXC some 10 years or so ago.
I loved it at the time but decided I wouldn’t want it as my only off-roader, far too many compromises and potential downsides for the type of riding I do , which although I always van the bike to the start of the ride, they are typically 100-ish mile days, and usually include a fair bit of tarmac in between the lanes.
I know from both what I’ve read over the years and talking to owners, that 2-strokes have moved on considerably in the last 10 years or so and specifically since they’ve started fuel-injecting them.
As part of that, you also don’t have to faff about with pre-mix on the FI KTMs/Husqvarna/GasGas range , they all have a separate oil tank and (electric) oil pump.
The electric start ( a very high priority for me on any green-lane type bike I have) has also been considerably improved over the last few years on them- up until 2018-ish it was a real Heath-Robinson add-on on the KTM/Husky smokers, and notoriously unreliable- just a shit design really.
Of course, with KTM as they now are, they badge and market what are essentially the same bikes throughout the road and off-road ranges as either KTM, Husquvarna or Gas-Gas, with Huskys being the premium brand, GasGas the cheapest and KTM in the middle.
Alongside the KTM/Husky/GasGas, I also had a serious look at buying a new GPX TSE250.
For anyone who doesn't already know, these are basically a Chinese clone of a Yam engine and KTM cycle parts. They’ve been out at least a couple of years now, have been getting good reviews from owners and are dirt ( ) cheap- £5k-odd compared to the £8-10k of the nearest equivilent KTM/Husky. Anyway, looking was pretty much all I did and I decided that I’d prefer to stick with the orange
I was ideally looking for a KTM, for the main reason that the Huskys and GasGas have rear suspension linkages and the KTM doesn’t. Whilst it can be argued that the linkage arrangement is both technically and functionally superior over the KTMs, which just bolts straight to the swinging arm, at my level I’ve always found it great, and importantly for me, there is nothing sticking out underneath the swing-arm to get clouted and potentially damaged on some of the knarly rocky climbs we do.
I also ideally wanted the 250 rather than the 300, as although they are identical apart from the top end of the motor, they are (so I read) significantly different in character, with the 250 being more traditional 2-stroke and top-endy in terms of power, the way 2-strokes make their power has always been a love of mine and so this appealed to me
In fact, I ended up with neither of those, as this is a Husqvarna TE300i- I’d decided that I wasn’t buying new, so in the area I’d decided to look at ( 2 or 3 years old, with low hours/miles green-lane rather than enduro/race use) and ideally one owner / loved, the 250s I found were either too far away, or had a harder life than I wanted, so I compromised.
The reality is I didn’t really know whether I’d like or hate any of them never having ridden any of the options, but I share the same approach as Tiepin in that I buy something, and if I don’t like it, or fancy something else more, then I sell it.
The one I bought is a one-owner bike, and I bought it directly from the owner, so known history and all the books, receipts etc.
It has been used as intended so is by no means immaculate, but it has been loved and had some useful additions ( that I would have bought if it dodn’t have them ) such as engine case/exhaust port, wheel bearing and suspension linkage protections, along with one that I wouldn’t in the (Marquez?) sticker kit, but that’s easily changed if I choose to.
It also had a carbon fibre exhaust protector, which had a fair bit of damage from an off and looked scabby, but the good news was it had definitely done its job as underneath it, the damage to the pipe was minimal, so I ordered another one up, and it arrived last Friday, the day before my scheduled first proper outing on it, so that has now been fitted.
It’s also been tested too as of the week-end and has survived unscathed as it was clay I went down on, but the pipe is so sticky-outy and vulnerable on these it’s bound to get damaged over time.
The bike had been just sitting unused in the previous owner’s garage unused for the last year and a bit, so although it was due its first MOT last year, it hadn’t happened so I had to get that sorted, with of course a good check-over from me first, and the purchase and fitting of a legal size rear plate for the MOT.
I also wired in a little 12v to USB power supply for my Garmin , took a feed from the lighting circuit so I don’t have to worry about flattening the battery.
The good news is that it had had a new piston and oil pump 3 hrs previously at 80hrs as recommended by KTM, and it was also wearing a brand-spankers pair of Mitas enduro tyres that had not touched the ground since fitted, a nice little bonus as they are by far my off-road tyre of choice, and what I would have put on it, if needed.
MOT was of course just a formality, so as soon as I got back, I taxed and insured it, filled it up with Super and took it out on the (tarmac) B-roads around here, just to give it a bit of a shake-down before it’s first proper ride which was planned to be a 120ish miler on Hants and Wilts lanes, and here it is nestling in the Buckinghamshire countryside last Friday before I fitted the new exhaust protector
I did approx 20 road miles, and I have to say, first impressions were pretty underwhelming- the bike itself all seemed good, but I was expecting it to be much faster/ more power-bandy than it seemed to be.
Riding any of these bikes on the road isn’t of course their intended environment and not a good test, but I have to say I was slightly disappointed.
Some of it was undoubtedly due to the much shorter gearing on it than I have on my 525, which meant I was in top in seconds and flat out at 65-70, whereas the 525 easily pulls 90+ in a flash.
As I say, all very largely irrelevant on a bike like this, but whereas the 525 lifts the wheel in 3rd or 4th if you want, the 300 just seemed to run out of revs every time I opened the throttle with no wheel lifting.
Anyway, got it home, fitted the new exhaust guard, filled it up with fuel, checked tyre pressures and in the van it went.
And this was Saturday’s planned ride route
Some great (and very slippy) lanes, but a fair bit of tarmac in between on this route, which on reflection made it an excellent test for the new bike.
And I have to say, it was brilliant- my meh-ness of the previous day disappeared pretty much on hitting the first lane, I can see why the serious enduro boys (and Yorick ) like this motor, pulls from absolutely nowhere and really flies.
Overall there is probably only 6kg or so weight difference between it and my trusty old orange girl ( 106 v 112kg) but as anyone who rides off-road knows, weight (or lack of it is key), and the 300 feels just that little bit more nimble- perfect novice bike IMO in that respect.
But the biggest revelation to me is how civilised they've managed to make a 2-stroke- it’s even Euro4 FFS!
Gone are the days of fannying about with over-rich chokes from cold, oily drippy tailpipes and having to “clear its throat or worrying about it oiling up after tootling at low revs for extended periods, and almost 4-stroke-like in that respect, it just goes.
And the fuelling at constant throttle on the road- although it sounds like it’s 4-stroking sometimes, you can cruise along at whatever throttle opening you choose- no surging or having to pick one speed only or speed up and slow down all the time like you might have to on pretty much any other (non FI) 2-stroke, it is just so civilised.
It was an absolutely cracking day, the only slight negative in its performance was the suspension, which I’m sorting this week.
The original owner is a fairly hefty unit and had it re-sprung for his (not inconsiderable) weight, and although I’m no racing snake, it is massively over-sprung for me and was a bit of a bone shaker t times.
The standard rear spring on these is a 48N/mm, it’s currently wearing a 63 which is a massive difference.
Similar, although not quite as severe, story with the front-std springs are 4.4 or 4.6N/mm, and it’s currently wearing 5.2s.
The good news is I got the originals with the bike (and a 54 rear too which was what he first tried and still too soft for him), so I’ll swap them back to standard over the next week or so before the next ride.
I’ve also got some new grips, levers and hand guards to replace the originals- why Husky bother with those silly non-wrap-around hand guards on an enduro bike beats me- my old 525 is still wearing the original 20 YO wrap-around KTM ones, they have saved the grips, levers, bars etc and me from damage more times than I can count so some of those are also going on too.
Other things that I will probably do will be to raise the gearing a bit when it needs chain and sprockets, and possibly change the sticker back to standard, or maybe one of the retro-Husky kits you can get to make them look like a resto-modded 70s/80s bike- that might be cool.
I’ve also ordered and will be fitting an ignition switch- I know it wouldn’t stop somebody nicking it if they wanted to, but it will mean that somebody can’t just walk up to it, push the button it and ride it away on a petrol station forecourt or if I park it outside a cafe etc
Anyway, suffice to say our first date went well and I’m very happy with my purchase so far- more to follow as our relationship progresses!
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It's a feckin bike shop in there,ya greedy bastard.
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So what you're saying is... You've got a spare bike should anyone ever want to try off-roading
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LOL no..... Did Crust not tell you how incompetent i was when i tried it
"fuck me, have you ever ridden a bike before" i think he said at the time
For someone who's half respectable on a MTB and a motorbike, it seems i'm a complete gimp off-road
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Maybe you've got better with age, and all that pedalling practice
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One of these 300tpi or a 500exc is the only bike I could see myself buying in the future. Enjoyed the 300's I've ridden that mates have had, I'd be torn between the 2 or 4 stroke though as the 500 is very good too. Good read though
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I dunno, I tried a KDX220 in about 2004 and I thought it was superb compared with the last two stroke enduro bike I'd ridden, a 1986 KTM 250 (in 1989), the KTM was so old school it didn't have a power valve, it was a proper old snarly beast of a thing, the KDX was lovely and smooth with power everywhere, 20 years of development can only have made a better engine.Potter wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:55 am Great thread and nice bike.
I'm always a little disappointed though when the biggest compliment anyone gives a 2T banger, is that it's so civilised it's almost 4T in it's characteristics
I want them to pop, snarl, choke up if you're not razor sharp on the throttle and need thrashing to make sense.
I know you've got plenty of experience and you know what an old school 2T is like, otherwise I'd be concerned that if you've only ever owned a new one then you've never had the full 2T experience
(although I remember back in the day going from racing a 2T to a 4T was so nice, no need for trays full of jets, taking the carb apart if the temperature changed by half a degree and not having to mess about with it at all)
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Cant get my head round a non oily 2 stroke! Watching the motorbike show the other night and theres a new bike being built with a 2t engine that meets euro 5 regs!
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I traded a 91 JDM Suzuki DR250S in for a 1999 KDX220R. My dad had a DRZ-E at the time so often got to ride both. The KDX felt more powerful and much more nimble. Whack the throttle open in pretty much any gear to lift the front over ruts, do the same on the DR and it just tried to spin the rear. I could rear wheel steer the KDX on roundabouts in the wet on competition mx tyres, the power was very predictable. I loved that bike. I'd have another if I had somewhere to ride it or any friends who rode off road.Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:19 pmI dunno, I tried a KDX220 in about 2004 and I thought it was superb compared with the last two stroke enduro bike I'd ridden, a 1986 KTM 250 (in 1989), the KTM was so old school it didn't have a power valve, it was a proper old snarly beast of a thing, the KDX was lovely and smooth with power everywhere, 20 years of development can only have made a better engine.Potter wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:55 am Great thread and nice bike.
I'm always a little disappointed though when the biggest compliment anyone gives a 2T banger, is that it's so civilised it's almost 4T in it's characteristics
I want them to pop, snarl, choke up if you're not razor sharp on the throttle and need thrashing to make sense.
I know you've got plenty of experience and you know what an old school 2T is like, otherwise I'd be concerned that if you've only ever owned a new one then you've never had the full 2T experience
(although I remember back in the day going from racing a 2T to a 4T was so nice, no need for trays full of jets, taking the carb apart if the temperature changed by half a degree and not having to mess about with it at all)
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Am off out on the TE300 again this weekend, but ahead of that, we have a few things to sort out, namely
1. Re-spring it front and rear
2 New grips and levers
3. Fit wrap-around handguards, and
4. Install an ignition switch
So I started with the easiest first, and it really was easy- I bought this KTM/Husky specific kit for under £30, and it took under 5 minutes to fit, very much worth paying those few extra £ to save having to mess about finding connectors and making my own little loom up IMO - job jobbed.
As previously mentioned, it’s not going to stop anyone who really wants it stealing it, but will prevent somebody just being able to walk up to it and ride straight off, as of course, you can on any of them as standard
Next I turned my attention to sorting the suspension out- this is the relevant page from the manual for the rear shock
I fall within the 75-85kg category, I have choices of a 48 N/mm or 54 rear spring in stock to replace the 63 that is currently fitted, which as you can probably guess is waaaay to hard for me, so the 48 is going on
And once again, the job really couldn’t be a lot easier with the WP shock- it is simply a matter of removing the bottom shock bolt and one from the linkage ( I’ve got a linkage protector on mine so that meant two extra 6mm bolts to take that off first )
Once you’ve wound the preload off, it allows you to lift the spring up to expose the little wire clip that secures the bottom collar, ping that off with your finger and the spring simply drops out – no need to remove the shock and no spring compressor required
This weedy little bit of wire is all that holds the spring in place, cool eh!
And in the words of Mr. Haynes, re-assembly really is just doing the opposite of what you’ve just done, or something like that, and then winding the collar back down to set the preload.
I haven’t measured the sag yet as I didn't have an available helper today, so for the moment I’ve just set it to book recommendations of a spring length of 246mm, and the standard compression and rebound settings, which feels good to me just sitting on it and bouncing up and down and is a decent starting point.
Now for the front:
The standard front springs that I have are 4.2N/mm, so that’s what went in to replace the 5.2s that it was on currently.
As with the rear, it really couldn’t be a lot simpler- the front wheel and forks were out in 5 mins, then it was just a matter of unscrewing the top cap on each leg, removing it from the damper rod, sliding the old spring off and new one on. The oil in there looked immaculate, and I didn’t lose any, so I’ve left it as is
And to finish the whole job off, it got a pair of brand new KTM/Husky grips- only £23 which I reckon is a bargain considering they come with the inner sleeves/throttle tube and a choice of cams.
I also fitted a new pair of levers to replace the shortened original ones that were on there, and a set of wrap-around handguards- not genuine KTM/Husky ones, which I would have preferred, but they seem well made and solid, time will tell I guess
And to finish the job off, I’ve also treated it to a nice new (colour matched) toolbag- screwed rather than bungee-d to the rear guard so it should say on there this time!
I haven’t ridden it to test yet, but the suspension just feels so much better now it's got sensible springs in it, and that’s going to make a massive difference to how it rides- roll on Saturday!
1. Re-spring it front and rear
2 New grips and levers
3. Fit wrap-around handguards, and
4. Install an ignition switch
So I started with the easiest first, and it really was easy- I bought this KTM/Husky specific kit for under £30, and it took under 5 minutes to fit, very much worth paying those few extra £ to save having to mess about finding connectors and making my own little loom up IMO - job jobbed.
As previously mentioned, it’s not going to stop anyone who really wants it stealing it, but will prevent somebody just being able to walk up to it and ride straight off, as of course, you can on any of them as standard
Next I turned my attention to sorting the suspension out- this is the relevant page from the manual for the rear shock
I fall within the 75-85kg category, I have choices of a 48 N/mm or 54 rear spring in stock to replace the 63 that is currently fitted, which as you can probably guess is waaaay to hard for me, so the 48 is going on
And once again, the job really couldn’t be a lot easier with the WP shock- it is simply a matter of removing the bottom shock bolt and one from the linkage ( I’ve got a linkage protector on mine so that meant two extra 6mm bolts to take that off first )
Once you’ve wound the preload off, it allows you to lift the spring up to expose the little wire clip that secures the bottom collar, ping that off with your finger and the spring simply drops out – no need to remove the shock and no spring compressor required
This weedy little bit of wire is all that holds the spring in place, cool eh!
And in the words of Mr. Haynes, re-assembly really is just doing the opposite of what you’ve just done, or something like that, and then winding the collar back down to set the preload.
I haven’t measured the sag yet as I didn't have an available helper today, so for the moment I’ve just set it to book recommendations of a spring length of 246mm, and the standard compression and rebound settings, which feels good to me just sitting on it and bouncing up and down and is a decent starting point.
Now for the front:
The standard front springs that I have are 4.2N/mm, so that’s what went in to replace the 5.2s that it was on currently.
As with the rear, it really couldn’t be a lot simpler- the front wheel and forks were out in 5 mins, then it was just a matter of unscrewing the top cap on each leg, removing it from the damper rod, sliding the old spring off and new one on. The oil in there looked immaculate, and I didn’t lose any, so I’ve left it as is
And to finish the whole job off, it got a pair of brand new KTM/Husky grips- only £23 which I reckon is a bargain considering they come with the inner sleeves/throttle tube and a choice of cams.
I also fitted a new pair of levers to replace the shortened original ones that were on there, and a set of wrap-around handguards- not genuine KTM/Husky ones, which I would have preferred, but they seem well made and solid, time will tell I guess
And to finish the job off, I’ve also treated it to a nice new (colour matched) toolbag- screwed rather than bungee-d to the rear guard so it should say on there this time!
I haven’t ridden it to test yet, but the suspension just feels so much better now it's got sensible springs in it, and that’s going to make a massive difference to how it rides- roll on Saturday!
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I do miss working on enduro / motocross bikes! I should probably rectify that at some point.
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Yup, so satisfying IMO as generally speaking they are so simple and come apart so much quicker and easier than most other stuff eh!
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- On a serious note I did actually look at those after wull's thread on it, but decided not to purely on the basis of cost and how often I might use it, albeit I know that is a shameful thing for any man to admit to when considering any tool purchase!Skub wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:01 pmGit yoreself a Slacker. A great tool for folks with no mates.
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Another little update- got out on the 300 again this week-end , the first ride since re-springing, and the other little updates above.
The route we took was this one
It incorporated a fair few quite technical climbs ( including Butser Hill, and the one that @crust broke his femur on last year ), lots of rock and clay which after the amount of rain we’ve had over the last couple of days made it slippity with an absolutely massive capital S!
TBH I think the 300 is probably a bit harder work on this type of going than the trusty old 525 is- although the motor pulls from pretty much nothing, throttle response is quite instant and abrupt even in map2 ( that's the supposedly softer map, albeit fecked if I can tell any real difference between the two) which when it is this slippery and lumpy means it is mega easy for your rear wheel to end up pointing 90 degrees or more different to the way you’re trying to travel...
The old 525, although undoubtedly pokier (by my arse dyno it is anyway) is easier to hold on small throttle openings IMO, just seems not quite so keen to run away, and I think it's also a (little) bit easier to find grip on when you really need it.
And of course it has engine braking in spades, which really does help on some of the really steep descents - the 300, well it's a smoker innit...
Anyway, it was another cracking day, we didn’t get rained on, I sweated at least 10 gallons, and although there were a few offs and one ankle that’s blown up like a balloon today, it wasn’t mine, me and the Husky stayed the right way up the whole time, although I will admit that there were quite a few times when I thought I was off, my massive bike control skilz ( and possibly a little bit of luck ) saved me every time
And although the forks were a massive improvement, and I think are just about spot on, the rear is too soft , it bottomed out a few times on the faster bits- going by the sag, I think there’s a good chance that it’s more than adding some pre-load to the current set-up will sort, so I’m going to slip the 54N/mm spring in over the next few days and see how I go with that.
Oh, and just for my own interest, and that of any nerdy types here, I’ve been measuring MPG and oil consumption- over the ~250 miles I’ve done on it so far it’s averaged 52mpg and used a total of just under 150ml of 2-stroke oil , which equates to roughly 1500 miles per litre by my calcs - quite astonishing IMO considering the use it gets , and roughly 10mpg better than the old 525
I’m next out the day after tomorrow with some local boys on some new (to me) lanes in Bucks and Herts, and I've decided that I’ll use the trusty old orange bike for that ride- will make an interesting (almost back to back) comparison, now I've done a few miles on the 300 and got to know it....
The route we took was this one
It incorporated a fair few quite technical climbs ( including Butser Hill, and the one that @crust broke his femur on last year ), lots of rock and clay which after the amount of rain we’ve had over the last couple of days made it slippity with an absolutely massive capital S!
TBH I think the 300 is probably a bit harder work on this type of going than the trusty old 525 is- although the motor pulls from pretty much nothing, throttle response is quite instant and abrupt even in map2 ( that's the supposedly softer map, albeit fecked if I can tell any real difference between the two) which when it is this slippery and lumpy means it is mega easy for your rear wheel to end up pointing 90 degrees or more different to the way you’re trying to travel...
The old 525, although undoubtedly pokier (by my arse dyno it is anyway) is easier to hold on small throttle openings IMO, just seems not quite so keen to run away, and I think it's also a (little) bit easier to find grip on when you really need it.
And of course it has engine braking in spades, which really does help on some of the really steep descents - the 300, well it's a smoker innit...
Anyway, it was another cracking day, we didn’t get rained on, I sweated at least 10 gallons, and although there were a few offs and one ankle that’s blown up like a balloon today, it wasn’t mine, me and the Husky stayed the right way up the whole time, although I will admit that there were quite a few times when I thought I was off, my massive bike control skilz ( and possibly a little bit of luck ) saved me every time
And although the forks were a massive improvement, and I think are just about spot on, the rear is too soft , it bottomed out a few times on the faster bits- going by the sag, I think there’s a good chance that it’s more than adding some pre-load to the current set-up will sort, so I’m going to slip the 54N/mm spring in over the next few days and see how I go with that.
Oh, and just for my own interest, and that of any nerdy types here, I’ve been measuring MPG and oil consumption- over the ~250 miles I’ve done on it so far it’s averaged 52mpg and used a total of just under 150ml of 2-stroke oil , which equates to roughly 1500 miles per litre by my calcs - quite astonishing IMO considering the use it gets , and roughly 10mpg better than the old 525
I’m next out the day after tomorrow with some local boys on some new (to me) lanes in Bucks and Herts, and I've decided that I’ll use the trusty old orange bike for that ride- will make an interesting (almost back to back) comparison, now I've done a few miles on the 300 and got to know it....
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Not a huge amount to report but I guess that this thread is overdue an update- I had another full day and 90-odd miles on the lanes on the Husky this weekend, and had a blast.
I’d previously gone back to the standard rear spring, but even whacking pretty much full preload on it, it was still on the soft side of OK so I did end up going up to the 54N/mm spring, and am pleased with how it is for me now;- it just glides over the really rough stuff with no bottoming out and still plenty of scope for pre-load change if I needed it ( which I don’t).
It was quite an eventful day one way and the other- perfect weather for it, but we’d had a fair bit of rain down south last week so some pretty tricky going on some of the climbs and descents, but all afdds to the fun IMO
What wasn’t so good is two of the boys had punctures, about 20-30 miles apart, but we had plenty of spare tubes and all the tools we needed ( including a portable bike lift- all you need is a tree ) so all was good.
As for the Husky, it was spot on- the lack of engine braking compared to pretty much any four-banger makes it a bit trickier on the slippy really steep downhill stuff, but , well old news eh and you just adapt.
What was interesting for me was two of my riding mates' opinions, as we did swapsies so two of them have a stint - both experienced off-roaders and KTM / Yam riders, but neither having any off-road 2-stroke experience.
Although they both obviously enjoyed it, and commented how light it seemed and how “floaty” and good it was over the really rough stuff, they both also thought that it was harder work and needed more gearchanges than their own bikes and were also not unhappy to hand it back, with the opinion that it’s fun but both preferred the 4-stroke 350 KTM as an all-day bike.
The gear-changing comment surprised me, as I don’t think it’s in the slightest bit peaky as smokers go, but the ratios are so close together, and I guess it depends on what you’re comparing it to.
Anyway, I’m loving it.
I’ve got it just about how I want it for me now, apart from the gearing – it could do with new chain and sprockets in the not too distant so I might bring that forward a bit and go down a couple on the rear and up one on the front too, but that will be it, apart from tyres etc when it needs them.
I suspect it will get less use than the 525 will over the coming months as the orange bike is definitely easier to ride when it’s really deep and slippy ( and I also have heated grips on it ), but it’s great to have the choice
I’d previously gone back to the standard rear spring, but even whacking pretty much full preload on it, it was still on the soft side of OK so I did end up going up to the 54N/mm spring, and am pleased with how it is for me now;- it just glides over the really rough stuff with no bottoming out and still plenty of scope for pre-load change if I needed it ( which I don’t).
It was quite an eventful day one way and the other- perfect weather for it, but we’d had a fair bit of rain down south last week so some pretty tricky going on some of the climbs and descents, but all afdds to the fun IMO
What wasn’t so good is two of the boys had punctures, about 20-30 miles apart, but we had plenty of spare tubes and all the tools we needed ( including a portable bike lift- all you need is a tree ) so all was good.
As for the Husky, it was spot on- the lack of engine braking compared to pretty much any four-banger makes it a bit trickier on the slippy really steep downhill stuff, but , well old news eh and you just adapt.
What was interesting for me was two of my riding mates' opinions, as we did swapsies so two of them have a stint - both experienced off-roaders and KTM / Yam riders, but neither having any off-road 2-stroke experience.
Although they both obviously enjoyed it, and commented how light it seemed and how “floaty” and good it was over the really rough stuff, they both also thought that it was harder work and needed more gearchanges than their own bikes and were also not unhappy to hand it back, with the opinion that it’s fun but both preferred the 4-stroke 350 KTM as an all-day bike.
The gear-changing comment surprised me, as I don’t think it’s in the slightest bit peaky as smokers go, but the ratios are so close together, and I guess it depends on what you’re comparing it to.
Anyway, I’m loving it.
I’ve got it just about how I want it for me now, apart from the gearing – it could do with new chain and sprockets in the not too distant so I might bring that forward a bit and go down a couple on the rear and up one on the front too, but that will be it, apart from tyres etc when it needs them.
I suspect it will get less use than the 525 will over the coming months as the orange bike is definitely easier to ride when it’s really deep and slippy ( and I also have heated grips on it ), but it’s great to have the choice
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Does it have the adjustable power valve that old ktm's had, or is it all electrikery now?
My 250exc could be set flat as a fart or 'I'm going to kill you, raving psycho' mode.
Sounds like yours is geared a bit short too, unless that's how they set them nowadays. Pretty sure mine did 80+ in dirt mode and would happily clutch up in 4th!
My 250exc could be set flat as a fart or 'I'm going to kill you, raving psycho' mode.
Sounds like yours is geared a bit short too, unless that's how they set them nowadays. Pretty sure mine did 80+ in dirt mode and would happily clutch up in 4th!
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Nope, they have ECUs these daysand you have a switch where you can flip between two throttle/ignition maps- dunno if it changes the opening of the PV too , but TBH the difference is barely noticeable, to me anyway- throttle response doesn't seem any different, it's just a tiny bit keener at the very top end in Map1