Wanna go fast on track, buy a Panigale

[Dave@ERT]

Ha ha !! I’ll take a look at that To be fair to Yamaha it’s pretty good as a road based ‘emergency’ abs system, which is exactly what they designed it for. I don’t really do enough track riding now for it to be worthwhile messing with it. I kind of have a split personality with my likes/dislikes...when I’m road riding I’m very safety biased and can totally see all the electronic aids, but if I’m on a track or off road I don’t want any ‘outside’ help, I want to feel that I’m able to push the limits a bit (well, MY limits at least !)

[Dodgy69]

Don't like abs on track, horrid.

[weeksy]

What I don't know is, if you fit that, do you need to change the lines and remove the motor/servo etc, j suspect it's a yes. But that's clearly a lot more work and effort than just plugging In a box and it disabling it.

[Dave@ERT]

I might be oversimplifying things greatly, but...what would happen if you just removed the abs motor fuse ?

[weeksy]

I might be oversimplifying things greatly, but...what would happen if you just removed the abs motor fuse ?

It's been discussed but not sure any of the fz09 guys have tried it. You'd obviously get a dash warning light

[Couchy]

All the abs systems I’ve used on track have been superb and better than me tbh. As for TC on the minimum settings it lets the rear slide, if you can push that far regularly and deliberately you may not need the safety net. I always left it on and when a slide came I was happy at that limit. I’ve always been smooth on the throttle and brakes so even without TC slides have always been gentle, I guess some who are more aggressive can get the electronics to kick in earlier while also going slower, if too aggressive you can still highside too.
I’m intrigued by the tracer and xsr abs comments as my MT09SP had no abs issues, are the riders perhaps letting some pressure off when it cuts in making it run on ? I’ve no idea as I didn’t get the problem

[weeksy]

I’m intrigued by the tracer and xsr abs comments as my MT09SP had no abs issues, are the riders perhaps letting some pressure off when it cuts in making it run on ? I’ve no idea as I didn’t get the problem

No. I wasn't actually braking that hard at all.

Well, hard enough I guess as I was outbraking a bike or two. But not crazy late

[Couchy]

I’m intrigued by the tracer and xsr abs comments as my MT09SP had no abs issues, are the riders perhaps letting some pressure off when it cuts in making it run on ? I’ve no idea as I didn’t get the problem

No. I wasn't actually braking that hard at all.

Well, hard enough I guess as I was outbraking a bike or two. But not crazy late

And what was it doing ? Was it the rear working and confusing you ? I can’t believe the front was cutting in and out as the systems are brilliant these days
Do you properly load the front before giving it 100% braking effort ?

[weeksy]

Front judder. I don't give it 100% I give it about 80% I reckon. But I go from throttle to brakes, I don't ease, then more.

The main thing I noticed was when I blipped I could stop it, if I didn't blip, I got the abs kicking in. Maybe the blipping in itself changes how I was changing down in terms of speed of changes, which settled it. I honestly don't really have the answer. All I know is, it was only at Pembrey and into the hairpin.

I'd argue, at Silverstone into the chicane on the GP or even into the left hander after the 2nd pit straight I braked harder than I was at Pembrey, which is why I'm a little confused.

[Couchy]

As we’ve discussed it’s the rear setting it off, the rider isn’t keeping the bike settled enough under braking not the bikes fault

[weeksy]

As we’ve discussed it’s the rear setting it off, the rider isn’t keeping the bike settled enough under braking not the bikes fault

690/790, both same technique, same incompetent rider, no issue.

So it kinda is the bikes fault.

[Yorick]

[Horse]

Adding to Couchy's post.

I don't give it 100% I give it about 80% I reckon.
But I go from throttle to brakes, I don't ease, then more.

% of what amount? It could be that, without achieving weight transfer onto the front, you are at 100% of what grip you have.

By getting more weight onto the front, 80% could be greater than 100% when you have more even weight distribution. Simply, weight = grip. More weight, more grip.

Closing the throttle will start that change of weight distribution, squeezing the brakes will increase it. Braking harder will get more weight over the front (assuming you don't exceed grip available). At extremes, the rear tyre will lift.

If the ABS works solely on wheel rotation, if it keeps turning then it won't operate.

However, if you just grab the front lever, you could exceed the grip available, so the ABS will work.

Guessing, the juddering could be because of the rapid brake-release action, perhaps either fork flex or bounce.

The main thing I noticed was when I blipped I could stop it, if I didn't blip, I got the abs kicking in. Maybe the blipping in itself changes how I was changing down in terms of speed of changes, which settled it.

If you have time to blip the throttle, do you have slightly more time to apply the brakes? So less 'grab', more 'apply'.

[weeksy]

Adding to Couchy's post.

I don't give it 100% I give it about 80% I reckon.
But I go from throttle to brakes, I don't ease, then more.

% of what amount? It could be that, without achieving weight transfer onto the front, you are at 100% of what grip you have.

By getting more weight onto the front, 80% could be greater than 100% when you have more even weight distribution. Simply, weight = grip. More weight, more grip.

Closing the throttle will start that change of weight distribution, squeezing the brakes will increase it. Braking harder will get more weight over the front (assuming you don't exceed grip available). At extremes, the rear tyre will lift.

If the ABS works solely on wheel rotation, if it keeps turning then it won't operate.

However, if you just grab the front lever, you could exceed the grip available, so the ABS will work.

Guessing, the juddering could be because of the rapid brake-release action, perhaps either fork flex or bounce.

The main thing I noticed was when I blipped I could stop it, if I didn't blip, I got the abs kicking in. Maybe the blipping in itself changes how I was changing down in terms of speed of changes, which settled it.

If you have time to blip the throttle, do you have slightly more time to apply the brakes? So less 'grab', more 'apply'.

Lol you try it at 130mph into a hairpin.

Change this, try that, etc is easy said, but you're picking your braking marker, you've got bikes in front you're trying to go past, bikes behind coming past you, you're trying to get the best line, best gear and keep the bike you're chasing in the position for an overtake.

It sounds easy "just do this instead" but the reality is lots harder

[Couchy]

As we’ve discussed it’s the rear setting it off, the rider isn’t keeping the bike settled enough under braking not the bikes fault

690/790, both same technique, same incompetent rider, no issue.

So it kinda is the bikes fault.

No it’s not all bikes are different and need different styles, that’s like blaming tyres that let go when you go beyond their limit. XSR is bigger heavier and faster so needs a smoother technique

[weeksy]

As we’ve discussed it’s the rear setting it off, the rider isn’t keeping the bike settled enough under braking not the bikes fault

690/790, both same technique, same incompetent rider, no issue.

So it kinda is the bikes fault.

No it’s not all bikes are different and need different styles, that’s like blaming tyres that let go when you go beyond their limit. XSR is bigger heavier and faster so needs a smoother technique

Aye, it's a fair point. But I still think it should be better

[Couchy]

Adding to Couchy's post.

I don't give it 100% I give it about 80% I reckon.
But I go from throttle to brakes, I don't ease, then more.

% of what amount? It could be that, without achieving weight transfer onto the front, you are at 100% of what grip you have.

By getting more weight onto the front, 80% could be greater than 100% when you have more even weight distribution. Simply, weight = grip. More weight, more grip.

Closing the throttle will start that change of weight distribution, squeezing the brakes will increase it. Braking harder will get more weight over the front (assuming you don't exceed grip available). At extremes, the rear tyre will lift.

If the ABS works solely on wheel rotation, if it keeps turning then it won't operate.

However, if you just grab the front lever, you could exceed the grip available, so the ABS will work.

Guessing, the juddering could be because of the rapid brake-release action, perhaps either fork flex or bounce.

The main thing I noticed was when I blipped I could stop it, if I didn't blip, I got the abs kicking in. Maybe the blipping in itself changes how I was changing down in terms of speed of changes, which settled it.

If you have time to blip the throttle, do you have slightly more time to apply the brakes? So less 'grab', more 'apply'.

Lol you try it at 130mph into a hairpin.

Change this, try that, etc is easy said, but you're picking your braking marker, you've got bikes in front you're trying to go past, bikes behind coming past you, you're trying to get the best line, best gear and keep the bike you're chasing in the position for an overtake.

It sounds easy "just do this instead" but the reality is lots harder

But you’re in control and if you’re putting yourself into a position you can’t do what you should then you need to slow down and not go too fast for yourself

[weeksy]

Never said that in the slightest.

I've always been shit at blipping, even when going slow.

[Yorick]

Never said that in the slightest.

I've always been shit at blipping, even when going slow.

I haven't blipped in last 15 years.

[weeksy]

Never said that in the slightest.

I've always been shit at blipping, even when going slow.

I haven't blipped in last 15 years.

I'll send you out on the xsr, let me know how it goes for you