Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[ZRX61]

I'm not sure it's possible to put raw uranium ore straight into a fission plant....

And, like I said - you can't put crude oil directly into an engine (or can you... hmm.... maybe a really really old ship engine could use crude.... but I'd expect modern ship diesels would need the to be oil refined at least somewhat).

Wind, solar, hydro all need "processing" : wind needs a generator and vanes to be built, assembled, transported, erected and connected); solar needs panels, hydro needs a dam, and generator, impellors etc.

The only real direct "primary" usage of wind would be sailing ships (or land-yachts): I'd say the only direct use of solar as primary is cats.

If it needed processing first, we wouldn't have oil well fires...

Of course it needs processing. Just because crude is flammable does not mean it doesn't need refining. Crude as it leaves the ground is essentially useless; it's the refining process that turns it into liquid gold. And plastic, and millions of other things.

Congratulations, you completely missed my point...

[mangocrazy]

If it needed processing first, we wouldn't have oil well fires...

Of course it needs processing. Just because crude is flammable does not mean it doesn't need refining. Crude as it leaves the ground is essentially useless; it's the refining process that turns it into liquid gold. And plastic, and millions of other things.

Congratulations, you completely missed my point...

I can only respond to what you posted, which was nonsense. Whatever hypothetical point you had in your head was not transmitted to the wider world.

[MrLongbeard]

Of course it needs processing. Just because crude is flammable does not mean it doesn't need refining. Crude as it leaves the ground is essentially useless; it's the refining process that turns it into liquid gold. And plastic, and millions of other things.

Congratulations, you completely missed my point...

I can only respond to what you posted, which was nonsense. Whatever hypothetical point you had in your head was not transmitted to the wider world.

I'm going to guess that his point was that as crude will burn as it comes up out of the ground it should be considered a primary energy source.
That it can be refined to be more efficient and into different materials is a secondary point not relevant to the original argument regarding primary V's secondary energy sources.

If so his point was transmitted and received loud and clear, if not then who fucking knows

[Count Steer]

Uranium doesn't burn though so combustion isn't the only thing that defines 'primary'.

(Well, like most things, including iron, it will if you powder it - I assume it oxidises in the process).

I suspect the terminology needs a revisit.

Shall we do enthalpy next?

[mangocrazy]

Congratulations, you completely missed my point...

I can only respond to what you posted, which was nonsense. Whatever hypothetical point you had in your head was not transmitted to the wider world.

I'm going to guess that his point was that as crude will burn as it comes up out of the ground it should be considered a primary energy source.
That it can be refined to be more efficient and into different materials is a secondary point not relevant to the original argument regarding primary V's secondary energy sources.

If so his point was transmitted and received loud and clear, if not then who fucking knows

I responded to the single line that was quoted, not to the preceding comments (which I hadn't read), so an oversight on my part. But whether something is defined as a primary or secondary energy source seems a bit moot to me.

[MrLongbeard]

I can only respond to what you posted, which was nonsense. Whatever hypothetical point you had in your head was not transmitted to the wider world.

I'm going to guess that his point was that as crude will burn as it comes up out of the ground it should be considered a primary energy source.
That it can be refined to be more efficient and into different materials is a secondary point not relevant to the original argument regarding primary V's secondary energy sources.

If so his point was transmitted and received loud and clear, if not then who fucking knows

I responded to the single line that was quoted, not to the preceding comments (which I hadn't read), so an oversight on my part. But whether something is defined as a primary or secondary energy source seems a bit moot to me.

Well it would seem moot if yore not following the conversation that been ongoing all day, but hey feel free to jump in and flap your arms about if it floats your boat.

[mangocrazy]

I'm going to guess that his point was that as crude will burn as it comes up out of the ground it should be considered a primary energy source.
That it can be refined to be more efficient and into different materials is a secondary point not relevant to the original argument regarding primary V's secondary energy sources.

If so his point was transmitted and received loud and clear, if not then who fucking knows

I responded to the single line that was quoted, not to the preceding comments (which I hadn't read), so an oversight on my part. But whether something is defined as a primary or secondary energy source seems a bit moot to me.

Well it would seem moot if yore not following the conversation that been ongoing all day, but hey feel free to jump in and flap your arms about if it floats your boat.

It's a forum. It's what people do, they dip in and out. I wasn't aware that testing was in place to ensure compliance. But carry on with your rigorous self-policing of the forum; I'm sure someone appreciates it.

Just not me.

[MrLongbeard]

I responded to the single line that was quoted, not to the preceding comments (which I hadn't read), so an oversight on my part. But whether something is defined as a primary or secondary energy source seems a bit moot to me.

Well it would seem moot if yore not following the conversation that been ongoing all day, but hey feel free to jump in and flap your arms about if it floats your boat.

It's a forum. It's what people do, they dip in and out. I wasn't aware that testing was in place to ensure compliance. But carry on with your rigorous self-policing of the forum; I'm sure someone appreciates it.

Just not me.

Bless your heart

[ZRX61]

U.S. safety regulators on Thursday recalled virtually all Cybertrucks on the road, the eighth recall of the Tesla-made vehicles since deliveries to customers began just over a year ago.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s recall, which covers more than 46,000 Cybertrucks, warned that an exterior panel that runs along the left and right sight of the windshield can detach while driving, creating a dangerous road hazard for other drivers, increasing the risk of a crash.

The stainless steel strip, called a cant rail assembly, between the windshield and the roof on both sides, is bound to the truck’s assembly with a structural adhesive, the NHTSA report said. The remedy uses an adhesive that’s not been found to be vulnerable to “environmental embrittlement,” the NHTSA said, and includes additional reinforcements.

Tesla will replace the panel free of charge. Owner notification letters are expected to be mailed May 19, 2025.

The recall of 46,096 Cybertrucks covers all 2024 and 2025 model years, manufactured from November 13, 2023, to February 27, 2025. The NHTSA order says that Tesla became aware of the problem early this year.

Videos posted on social media showing people ripping the panels off of Cybertrucks with their hands have gone viral in recent days.

The Cybertruck, which Tesla began delivering to buyers in late 2023, has been recalled eight times in the past 15 months for safety problems, including once in November because a fault in an electric inverter can cause the drive wheels to lose power. Last April, the futuristic-looking trucks were recalled to fix acceleration pedals that can get stuck in the interior trim. Other recalls were related to windshield wipers and the display screen.

It’s the latest setback for the Elon Musk-owned electric automaker, which has come under attack since President Donald Trump took office and empowered Musk to oversee a new Department of Government Efficiency that’s slashing government spending.

While no injuries have been reported, Tesla showrooms, vehicle lots, charging stations and privately owned cars have been targeted.

Prosecutors in Colorado charged a woman last month in connection with attacks on Tesla dealerships, including Molotov cocktails thrown at vehicles and the words “Nazi cars” spray-painted on a building.

And federal agents in South Carolina last week arrested a man they say set fire to Tesla charging stations near Charleston. An agent from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives wrote in an affidavit that authorities found writings critical of the government and DOGE in his bedroom and wallet.

Even before the attacks ramped up in recent weeks, Tesla has been struggling, facing increased competition from rival electric vehicles, particularly out of China.

Though largely unaffected by Thursday’s recall announcement, Tesla shares have plummeted 42% in 2025, reflecting newfound pessimism as sales crater around the globe.

With regard to Thursday’s recall, Cybertruck owners may contact Tesla customer service at 1-877-798-3752 and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline at 888-327-4236, or go to nhtsa.gov.

[Rockburner]

I'm not sure it's possible to put raw uranium ore straight into a fission plant....

And, like I said - you can't put crude oil directly into an engine (or can you... hmm.... maybe a really really old ship engine could use crude.... but I'd expect modern ship diesels would need the to be oil refined at least somewhat).

Wind, solar, hydro all need "processing" : wind needs a generator and vanes to be built, assembled, transported, erected and connected); solar needs panels, hydro needs a dam, and generator, impellors etc.

The only real direct "primary" usage of wind would be sailing ships (or land-yachts): I'd say the only direct use of solar as primary is cats.

If it needed processing first, we wouldn't have oil well fires...

McDonalds chip fat is flammable too, but you wouldn't get far trying to pump it though a modern fuel injection system.

As you very well know you argumentative old sod.

[ZRX61]

McDonalds chip fat is flammable too, but you wouldn't get far trying to pump it though a modern fuel injection system.

As you very well know you argumentative old sod.

My F350 will run on it if it's pre-heated.

[Rockburner]

McDonalds chip fat is flammable too, but you wouldn't get far trying to pump it though a modern fuel injection system.

As you very well know you argumentative old sod.

My F350 will run on it if it's pre-heated.

I'd like to see that. Would you really put unfiltered, direct from the fryer, oil into your truck's tank?

Crude might burn, but it's also full of crap that prevents it being useful until it's been processed.

My point, because I'm obviously not making it very clearly, is that there's no real thing as a "Primary source" fuel. Every fuel source we use needs to be processed in summer manner first. Everything is a "Secondary source" fuel that costs money, resources, time and energy to become usable.

[Horse]

.. be processed in summer manner ...

Ah. Sunlight

[mangocrazy]

Talking of which, can the Sun not correctly be described as the only true Primary energy source?

[ZRX61]

I'd like to see that. Would you really put unfiltered, direct from the fryer, oil into your truck's tank?

Crude might burn, but it's also full of crap that prevents it being useful until it's been processed.

My point, because I'm obviously not making it very clearly, is that there's no real thing as a "Primary source" fuel. Every fuel source we use needs to be processed in summer manner first. Everything is a "Secondary source" fuel that costs money, resources, time and energy to become usable.

I said it could, not that I do.
I run it on B20 & EDT TigerPiss. Some 7.3 owners will dump the contents of the drain pan into the tank after an oil change or trans fluid change.... & that engine holds 4.5gallons of oil, the larger of the two tanks is 19 gallons so close to 25% used engine oil going through it. Lots of owners dump a quart of 2Stroke oil in each tank when filling up. These engines easily go 400k miles

[Count Steer]

Talking of which, can the Sun not correctly be described as the only true Primary energy source?

As mentioned above, it's a fusion reactor so it runs on a primary fuel (or fuels).

Gravity is pretty primary though.

[wheelnut]

U.S. safety regulators on Thursday recalled virtually all Cybertrucks on the road, the eighth recall of the Tesla-made vehicles since deliveries to customers began just over a year ago.

On the upside, at least it does away with the theory that musk is a nazi.

They used to be good at making cars.

[Horse]

Talking of which, can the Sun not correctly be described as the only true Primary energy source?

Probably the only true primary source is sunlight.

No preparation or manufacturing needed. Just place something in direct sunlight and it will warm up.

The 'read the thread' approach does have merit

The need for some sort of machine or equipment to use the primary power was mentioned.

Sunlight may have the simplest option: a sheet of glass

[Mr. Dazzle]

They used to be good at making cars.

They've never been good at making cars

They've always been very good at making electric powertrains. But since that was their entire USP, it's stood them in good stead. Everyone else is catching up or overtaking now though.

They also have the self drive thing, but AFAIK still only one company has the tech 'properly' homologated in any form and it ain't Tesla.

Plus the CEO is somewhat distracted

[demographic]

So, I'm glad we've established the exact amount of primary power angels can dance on the head of a pin, I feel it's been a couple of pages well spent...