WTF- Shakey jumps on the gravy train....

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Re: WTF- Shakey jumps on the gravy train....

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Alan PBTD wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 8:52 pm
Do view Shakey in a slightly different light now - reading this and don't quite get why the case actually focused so much on the actual design of the corner and love the bit when the Judge states ''just because an accident hasn't happened ( at said corner ) it's acceptable that you do the minimum requirements''

There's a lot of fall out heading the circuits way...
I'm not a 'track,' person, but I recall a briefing at Thruxton which was, roughly, "there are only two places you need to brake hard. And they're the only places where barriers are close to the track."

And that seems to be the centre of the winning argument.

Track redesign
They're warned about insufficient run-off distances
Lackluster risk assessment
Poor record keeping
And, potentially, reliance on a disclaimer


However ... Can't help but wonder whether the claim was speculative, or whether he'd had some sort of inside information about all that?
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Re: WTF- Shakey jumps on the gravy train....

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One lad sued Focused Events after he crashed running onto the grass.
His case revolved about him not being told the grass was slippy.

After that, every briefing was filmed to stop folk making shit claims.
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Re: WTF- Shakey jumps on the gravy train....

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Yorick wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:23 pm One lad sued Focused Events after he crashed running onto the grass.
His case revolved about him not being told the grass was slippy.

After that, every briefing was filmed to stop folk making shit claims.
I remember that, kind of. Or similar. I was told it was one of Jim Whittam's trackdays.
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Re: WTF- Shakey jumps on the gravy train....

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KungFooBob wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:25 pm
Yorick wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:23 pm One lad sued Focused Events after he crashed running onto the grass.
His case revolved about him not being told the grass was slippy.

After that, every briefing was filmed to stop folk making shit claims.
I remember that, kind of. Or similar. I was told it was one of Jim Whittam's trackdays.
Deffo F.E. I was instructing at that time.
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Re: WTF- Shakey jumps on the gravy train....

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Interesting analysis of the case notes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8KReJdofuo
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Re: WTF- Shakey jumps on the gravy train....

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westers151 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:58 pm Interesting analysis of the case notes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8KReJdofuo
Highlights?
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Re: WTF- Shakey jumps on the gravy train....

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Re: WTF- Shakey jumps on the gravy train....

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Yorick wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:00 pm
westers151 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:58 pm Interesting analysis of the case notes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8KReJdofuo
Highlights?
My (strong ) recommendation would be to watch it yourself and develop your own opinion :) ;)
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Re: WTF- Shakey jumps on the gravy train....

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That was an interesting watch,as a race fan I'm a bit wary about the repercussions.I hope things don't go the same way with the insurers as they have in Ireland :shock:
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Re: WTF- Shakey jumps on the gravy train....

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Yorick wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:00 pm
westers151 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:58 pm Interesting analysis of the case notes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8KReJdofuo
Highlights?
If you can't be bothered to watch it, I can't be bothered to summarise it.
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Re: WTF- Shakey jumps on the gravy train....

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Tricky wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:28 pm
Yorick wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:00 pm
westers151 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:58 pm Interesting analysis of the case notes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8KReJdofuo
Highlights?
My (strong ) recommendation would be to watch it yourself and develop your own opinion :) ;)
I read the full judgement document, which was fascinating.

But that video provides a superb extra level of detail and background.
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Re: WTF- Shakey jumps on the gravy train....

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westers151 wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:16 am
Yorick wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:00 pm
westers151 wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:58 pm Interesting analysis of the case notes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8KReJdofuo
Highlights?
If you can't be bothered to watch it, I can't be bothered to summarise it.
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Re: WTF- Shakey jumps on the gravy train....

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Yorick wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 6:31 pm
westers151 wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 11:16 am
Yorick wrote: Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:00 pm

Highlights?
If you can't be bothered to watch it, I can't be bothered to summarise it.
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Go on to YouTube, download the transcript (Yt automatically creates it). You'll then get all the important stuff. There is little to no 'filler'.
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