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Screwdriver wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 5:55 pmask Chat GPT but you're right, it's not really "thinking" but seems more keen on dishing out popular facts.
Only if it 'knows' fact from opinion (or misinformation, disinformation, lies, etc). Does it?
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If you ever want investment advice, you could do worse than asking ChatGPT, says the FT.

Analysts at the comparison website Finder asked the AI chatbot to create a theoretical fund of more than 30 company stocks, based on a range of investing principles taken from leading money managers.

Eight weeks in, the AI’s portfolio has risen a very healthy 4.9%. Over the same period, the 10 most popular funds on UK platform Interactive Investor have suffered an average loss of 0.8%.
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I'm loving that there seem to be three distinct camps -
- this is great, look what it can do
- the sky is caving in, Cyberdyne Systems eat your heart out
- this is wank, here are some examples of how it is wrong

I quite like the last one, human fallibility. Who'd have thought.
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The stock market strikes me as something AI would be good at and people bad. Lots of moving parts, lots of data, a very human tendancy to make emotional decisions concerning non-emotional systems...

We already have laws in place to limit and slow down how quickly computers can make and act on decisions in the market.
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DefTrap wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 9:28 am I quite like the last one, human fallibility. Who'd have thought.
Wasn't there an experiment, something like parrots or chimps picking named cards at random that out-performed 'experts'?

Edit: blindfolded monkeys throwing darts
And not quite so clear-cut.
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 9:35 am a very human tendancy to make emotional decisions concerning non-emotional systems...
Nick Leeson?
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Could be of huge benefit too though.

Unforeseen repercussions are the hallmark of big decisions in big systems. Imagine what things would be like if you could forsee them.

I'm aware that's an argument both for and against AI :lol:
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Financial institutions seemingly didn't notice increasing life expectancy and implications for pensions. That's people for you ;)
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I thought it was going to take over the world by now?
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weeksy wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:34 pm I thought it was going to take over the world by now?
Perhaps car makers should set it to work on self-driving cars? They're struggling to do it the human way.
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Screwdriver wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:55 pm
weeksy wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 1:34 pm I thought it was going to take over the world by now?
It will certainly be a watershed moment in human history. The age of A.I.

No one knows for sure if there is a particular point at which an AI becomes sentient or even if that ever happens. I assume if it just keeps getting more and more powerful, eventually it will cross a line. I rather suspect no one knows when that happens or even what "the line" looks like.

One thing's for sure, we'll all know it when it happens.
So it could be 200 years? You implication earlier was that when it's turned on it'll be one sentient and own the world. Are you now moving on slightly? Or it still could, but may be a week, or nay be 10000 years?
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 9:35 am The stock market strikes me as something AI would be good at and people bad. Lots of moving parts, lots of data, a very human tendancy to make emotional decisions concerning non-emotional systems...

We already have laws in place to limit and slow down how quickly computers can make and act on decisions in the market.
There's a Robert Harris book - The Fear Index - with this exact premise. It was an ok summer holiday read.
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Sour grapes because he lost, Google's been trying to be the leader in AI for years and now he decides it's a bad thing.
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These supermassive computers are themselves becoming more and more complex by the day
If that were the case then in a week they'd own the world, but that would of course have been years ago, as surely this has been the case for years already

I think you're completely wrong on this.
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Screwdriver wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 9:08 pm
Mussels wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 7:33 pm Sour grapes because he lost, Google's been trying to be the leader in AI for years and now he decides it's a bad thing.
Lost what??
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They actually don't care what the ramifications may be for unleashing a potentially sentient AI on the world
Based upon?
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Screwdriver wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 12:10 am
weeksy wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 10:37 pm
They actually don't care what the ramifications may be for unleashing a potentially sentient AI on the world
Based upon?
Core capitalist principles; Google, eBay, Amazon (especially), BlackRock, Tescos, YouTube, CNN, MSNBC, Joe Biden...

None of them are in this game for the benefit of humanity. They're in it for the money. They will do whatever reaps the greatest financial rewards.

This is a goldrush that makes Klondike look like pocket money. No kidding, the first person to develop a <sufficiently powerful> AI will literally rule the world. You won't need "Google" your personal AI will find you the exact answer you want (or at least the one Google/Alphabet want you to believe). Same with eBay:
"Hi Skynet(!), find me the cheapest 1994 FireBlade within say 50 miles".
"Write me a decent CV and send it to the ten most likely companies oh and give me a recipe for Kima and order up the ingredients from the cheapest possible source"
"While I'm waiting, knock up a hard core porno with Kyle Minogue when she was fit. After 2 minutes throw in Nicole Kidman (just in case)".
"Then and write up a dissertation on the current state of particle physics in the style of Screwdriver. Throw in a couple of ambiguous points so that I can argue the toss over it".
"While you're doing that, make a feature length film based on The Murderbot Diaries".
"You can play the lead character..."

As if this version of humanity wasn't crazy enough already, I am expecting mayhem. If you think it's difficult to know what is "true" now, you ain't seen nothing yet.
So based upon your opinion of how you see modern society then ?
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Screwdriver wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 6:27 am
weeksy wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 6:14 am So based upon your opinion of how you see modern society then ?
Core capitalist principles.

Perhaps I should have stopped there. The rest is fluff.

They don't have capitalism on your planet?
Of course.... but on my planet, not everyone is instantly looking to take over the earth and destroy it... You have a very negative view of the world and people in it. It's a trait of yours, you only see the negative not the positive. Me, i'm the opposite to you :)
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Screwdriver wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 6:47 am

Yes I have been on a tirade for some time now. During that time, did things get better or worse?

FOr me.... nothing has changed. Nothing at all. I still earn more than i used to, i have more toys than i used to, i have a wife, son, happiness and live in an idyllic location. My world, it's as good as it's ever been, arguably better.

So things are better.... but clearly not in your perception :D
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Screwdriver wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 7:16 am
weeksy wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 6:53 am FOr me.... nothing has changed. Nothing at all. I still earn more than i used to, i have more toys than i used to, i have a wife, son, happiness and live in an idyllic location. My world, it's as good as it's ever been, arguably better.

So things are better.... but clearly not in your perception :D
You're lucky. My energy bills went through the roof.
So did ours..we paid them... now it's summer... :) So no more bills for 6 months. See the positive :banana-wrench:

But really if the biggest 'problem' that all these life changing things have created is some higher energy bills... then really, i don't much give a shit.
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