Is chat GPT a danger to humanity?

[Screwdriver]

So based upon your opinion of how you see modern society then ?

Core capitalist principles.

Perhaps I should have stopped there. The rest is fluff.

They don't have capitalism on your planet?

[weeksy]

So based upon your opinion of how you see modern society then ?

Core capitalist principles.

Perhaps I should have stopped there. The rest is fluff.

They don't have capitalism on your planet?

Of course.... but on my planet, not everyone is instantly looking to take over the earth and destroy it... You have a very negative view of the world and people in it. It's a trait of yours, you only see the negative not the positive. Me, i'm the opposite to you

[Screwdriver]

Of course.... but on my planet, not everyone is instantly looking to take over the earth and destroy it... You have a very negative view of the world and people in it. It's a trait of yours, you only see the negative not the positive. Me, i'm the opposite to you

Not "everyone" of course, just a relative small handful of humans who currently own virtually everything.

Yes I have been on a tirade for some time now. During that time, did things get better or worse?

AI will be instrumental in accelerating that process of wealth transfer. In the short term it will be great fun but - it's a trap...

[weeksy]

Yes I have been on a tirade for some time now. During that time, did things get better or worse?

FOr me.... nothing has changed. Nothing at all. I still earn more than i used to, i have more toys than i used to, i have a wife, son, happiness and live in an idyllic location. My world, it's as good as it's ever been, arguably better.

So things are better.... but clearly not in your perception

[Screwdriver]

FOr me.... nothing has changed. Nothing at all. I still earn more than i used to, i have more toys than i used to, i have a wife, son, happiness and live in an idyllic location. My world, it's as good as it's ever been, arguably better.

So things are better.... but clearly not in your perception

You're lucky. My energy bills went through the roof.

[weeksy]

FOr me.... nothing has changed. Nothing at all. I still earn more than i used to, i have more toys than i used to, i have a wife, son, happiness and live in an idyllic location. My world, it's as good as it's ever been, arguably better.

So things are better.... but clearly not in your perception

You're lucky. My energy bills went through the roof.

So did ours..we paid them... now it's summer... So no more bills for 6 months. See the positive

But really if the biggest 'problem' that all these life changing things have created is some higher energy bills... then really, i don't much give a shit.

[Screwdriver]

You are correct regarding my cynical view of the world but for me it has been a long uphill battle after which I find myself still stuck at the bottom. However, I now find myself discussing the potential side effects of a potential new technology which even by my own argument, no one really understands.

That's all too "meta" for me and I'd much rather bend the conversation towards the "dangers of AI" or any counter argument which I may not have considered.

You already know my views and have already berated me for sharing them, there's no need to goad me into this discussion in all my posts.

The energy bills débâcle belongs in a thread I started years ago about the possibility of Russia invading Ukraine. The one that kept getting locked until someone else stole the idea. Like my post regarding Elon Musk, until someone else took that away from me too.

Somewhat ironic that both of those topics were ahead of their time, degenerated into mindless "conspiracy theorist" insults until the relevance for each became too obvious to ignore. I'd say the same regarding my early thoughts regarding C*V*D, WEF and WHO but I appear to be one of very few people who are happy to join the dots to see the bigger picture.

See, now look what you made me do....

[weeksy]

You already know my views and have already berated me for sharing them, there's no need to goad me into this discussion in all my posts.

I'm trying to get you to see a different perspective. You try and change our opinion, I try and change yours. That's a discussion. If we all just agreed it would be pointless.

[Yambo]

You're lucky. My energy bills went through the roof.

"Years ago", we were nowhere near the extraordinary capacity for these supercomputers. Just running ChatGPT for a world audience requires staggering amounts of energy and cooling. According to Musk, these data centres are "unmissable" from space because the heat generated lights them up like a beacon.

Mmmm, what are you actually up to in that there London, Screwd?

[Screwdriver]

You already know my views and have already berated me for sharing them, there's no need to goad me into this discussion in all my posts.

I'm trying to get you to see a different perspective. You try and change our opinion, I try and change yours. That's a discussion. If we all just agreed it would be pointless.

OK. Gotcha. I will try and look more for the positive. I am currently experimenting with https://huggingface.co/ and Shap-E but @Yambo, I doubt if my local AI is eating up that much electrojuice. My issue appears to be more with gas (!) but since I'd rather freeze than starve, it must be the (magnificent) range cooker that's doing it. It will burn anything to a perfect crisp in no time!

[Greenman]

So based upon your opinion of how you see modern society then ?

Core capitalist principles.

Perhaps I should have stopped there. The rest is fluff.

They don't have capitalism on your planet?

Of course.... but on my planet, not everyone is instantly looking to take over the earth and destroy it... You have a very negative view of the world and people in it. It's a trait of yours, you only see the negative not the positive. Me, i'm the opposite to you

I don't think it is a case of negativity vs positivity, and more a case of being able to decipher between truths and lies. Most people just seem to accept everything as truth, because questioning things you are told are fact requires a bit of common sense logical thinking which some people are either incapable of or just can't be bothered to do, life is too short to question everything i agree but some of us just cannot turn a blind eye and follow the crowd when we can see what is going on.

There is also the case IMO that a lot of people do not like the truth, they would rather bumble along thinking everything is fine until it isn't then kick up skint when shit starts to affect them!

If you didn't have people like myself and screwed who seem to be able to see through the ball shit we are fed by the capitalist so called leaders then i think you would see the world going into a very much more negative situtation than it is!

[weeksy]

Core capitalist principles.

Perhaps I should have stopped there. The rest is fluff.

They don't have capitalism on your planet?

Of course.... but on my planet, not everyone is instantly looking to take over the earth and destroy it... You have a very negative view of the world and people in it. It's a trait of yours, you only see the negative not the positive. Me, i'm the opposite to you

I don't think it is a case of negativity vs positivity, and more a case of being able to decipher between truths and lies. Most people just seem to accept everything as truth, because questioning things you are told are fact requires a bit of common sense logical thinking which some people are either incapable of or just can't be bothered to do, life is too short to question everything i agree but some of us just cannot turn a blind eye and follow the crowd when we can see what is going on.

There is also the case IMO that a lot of people do not like the truth, they would rather bumble along thinking everything is fine until it isn't then kick up skint when shit starts to affect them!

If you didn't have people like myself and screwed who seem to be able to see through the ball shit we are fed by the capitalist so called leaders then i think you would see the world going into a very much more negative situtation than it is!

What lies have I missed/not picked up on in the above scenario ?

[Greenman]

Of course.... but on my planet, not everyone is instantly looking to take over the earth and destroy it... You have a very negative view of the world and people in it. It's a trait of yours, you only see the negative not the positive. Me, i'm the opposite to you

I don't think it is a case of negativity vs positivity, and more a case of being able to decipher between truths and lies. Most people just seem to accept everything as truth, because questioning things you are told are fact requires a bit of common sense logical thinking which some people are either incapable of or just can't be bothered to do, life is too short to question everything i agree but some of us just cannot turn a blind eye and follow the crowd when we can see what is going on.

There is also the case IMO that a lot of people do not like the truth, they would rather bumble along thinking everything is fine until it isn't then kick up skint when shit starts to affect them!

If you didn't have people like myself and screwed who seem to be able to see through the ball shit we are fed by the capitalist so called leaders then i think you would see the world going into a very much more negative situtation than it is!

What lies have I missed/not picked up on in the above scenario ?

Exactly!

[Mr. Dazzle]

Even ChatGPTs creator reckons AI needs some regulation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-u ... a-65610337

You know its serious when politicians of different stripes start agreeing

[Cousin Jack]

I don't think it is a case of negativity vs positivity, and more a case of being able to decipher between truths and lies. Most people just seem to accept everything as truth, because questioning things you are told are fact requires a bit of common sense logical thinking which some people are either incapable of or just can't be bothered to do, life is too short to question everything i agree but some of us just cannot turn a blind eye and follow the crowd when we can see what is going on.

There is also the case IMO that a lot of people do not like the truth, they would rather bumble along thinking everything is fine until it isn't then kick up skint when shit starts to affect them!

If you didn't have people like myself and screwed who seem to be able to see through the ball shit we are fed by the capitalist so called leaders then i think you would see the world going into a very much more negative situtation than it is!

Most of us have a well developed bullshit detector, few of us believe politicians of any stripe, but we also recognise that most problems are caused by fuck-up and unexpected consequences rather than any conspiracy. Do IGAS about AI? Not really, I can remember back in my youth being promised all sorts of wonderful stuff, unlimited energy from fusion, flying cars, a 2 day working week because computers and robots were going to do everything for us, with us humans just enjoying our leisure. I expect AI to be at least as prophetic as those predictions.

[Yorick]

Will all this AI clean my pool?

Or will it make my beer fridge fail?

These are questions we need to know.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Most of us have a well developed bullshit detector, few of us believe politicians of any stripe, but we also recognise that most problems are caused by fuck-up and unexpected consequences rather than any conspiracy.

This is what I was thinking but couldn't work out how to articulate, at least not as succinctly.

There's a difference between not seeing lies, problems or downsides and letting your entire reaction be defined by them.

[Screwdriver]

Even ChatGPTs creator reckons AI needs some regulation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-u ... a-65610337

You know its serious when politicians of different stripes start agreeing

Yes and this is where things become seriously complicated.

Rampant unmoderated AI development creates ethical and practical real world problems which are non-trivial as in, the potential to destroy civilisation sort of level. I don't necessarily agree with the Skynet takeover of humanity scenario, that's too far fetched even for me. But an unmoderated Ai could wreak havoc upon our society and the human psyche due to our extreme reliance on technology and network connectivity.

That's not the problem here. Any number of those working within the industry could implement safeguards, develop protocols and mitigate worst case scenarios. That would be a good thing but those individuals (the ones named an above and Elon Musk too as it happens) get kicked out of any controlling interest.

Makes you wonder, kicked out by who and for why.

Then the government authorities step in and say, "yeah we'll take it from here"...

I have no confidence in our current political system. None at all so the chances are, their suggestion will be the standard knee jerk reaction to tax a problem into submission. Like the climate change "disaster" just give us more of your money and everything will be better.

So while I suggest there is a problem (both with AGW and AI) I am not convinced "the powers that be" are in any way capable of managing such issues. They are all just too close to the corporate interests that need to be regulated.

[Kneerly Down]

Will the AI systems be able to work out commercially practical fusion power generation for the immense power required to run their systems or will they run out of available power before they get to the solution?

I also wondered if the Microsoft AI interface could be in the form of a talking paper clip, for old times sake.

[Screwdriver]

Will the AI systems be able to work out commercially practical fusion power generation for the immense power required to run their systems or will they run out of available power before they get to the solution?

I also wondered if the Microsoft AI interface could be in the form of a talking paper clip, for old times sake.

No I don't think so but then I don't believe a sustainable net positive fusion reactor is theoretically possible, let alone practically achievable.

Secondly, AI would have to be a darned site more inventive and most likely as sentient a mind as you and me if it was able to be creative enough to invent a solution.

...and at that stage, with it being all clever and wise, certainly all knowing: would it be prepared to reveal the solution to a bunch of violent dumb apes?