2022 RTTL Pembrey trackday extravaganza. Sept 2/3/4

[Yorick]

I hears rumours that folk were putting bikes into lower power modes for static noise testing.

[Yorick]

Even my old Falco has a lap timer function. Same as Aprilia's RSV Mille and 250cc stinkwheels. Never used mine, but banning any bike with a lap timer would lead to a vanishingly small grid.

It's a requirement by the insurance folk.
Timed events are banned.

[mangocrazy]

Even my old Falco has a lap timer function. Same as Aprilia's RSV Mille and 250cc stinkwheels. Never used mine, but banning any bike with a lap timer would lead to a vanishingly small grid.

It's a requirement by the insurance folk.
Timed events are banned.

OK, but does that mean any bike with the capability of lap timing is banned, or just that anyone caught lap timing will be banned? Back in the early 90s when I first started doing track days we were all timing each other and using it as fodder for the banter wars...

[Couchy]

Yep - we're down to ''One Strike and You're Out'' and it's all down to Uncle Al to deliver the news...

If it's one of ours, I'll give you £50 to let me send them home at 9.30, £100 if it's @Couchy

Triumph / SV will have standard cans on

[Alan PBTD]

Yes as mentioned any form of on board lap timing and or associated equipment is banned - as it's use is deemend to be a ''speed trial'' and is not allowed by our insurance company. It's the same with any other TDO in the UK.

Will admit tho' - these days it's rather difficult to control.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Interesting reading, my 2 year old Suzuki is faster with the original silencer than it is with the noisy one that came with it, all my over 30 year old bikes are faster with race exhausts, but they're all about 96dB static, I've no idea what they'd be from track side monitoring, but the FZR400 I had was bloody loud because I revved it to 15,000 rpm everywhere.

[mangocrazy]

Yes as mentioned any form of on board lap timing and or associated equipment is banned - as it's use is deemend to be a ''speed trial'' and is not allowed by our insurance company. It's the same with any other TDO in the UK.

Will admit tho' - these days it's rather difficult to control.

Shirley this is completely unenforceable. Even 20 year old designs like Aprilia RSV et al have a rudimentary lap timing facility and it's hard-wired into the bike's electrics. So by that definition if I were to use that bike on a TD I would automatically be banned. I'm sure more modern bikes have much more sophisticated onboard kit. How on earth can this restriction work? Do TDOs have to feign ignorance that 90% of punters are using totally non-compliant machinery? Is this one of those dirty little secrets that no-one wants to talk about? (Feel free not to answer that question, btw... )

[weeksy]

Yes as mentioned any form of on board lap timing and or associated equipment is banned - as it's use is deemend to be a ''speed trial'' and is not allowed by our insurance company. It's the same with any other TDO in the UK.

Will admit tho' - these days it's rather difficult to control.

Shirley this is completely unenforceable. Even 20 year old designs like Aprilia RSV et al have a rudimentary lap timing facility and it's hard-wired into the bike's electrics. So by that definition if I were to use that bike on a TD I would automatically be banned. I'm sure more modern bikes have much more sophisticated onboard kit. How on earth can this restriction work? Do TDOs have to feign ignorance that 90% of punters are using totally non-compliant machinery? Is this one of those dirty little secrets that no-one wants to talk about? (Feel free not to answer that question, btw... )

I would think the owner/rider has to 'start' the lap timer.... So no lap timing means "do not press a button or you will be banned"..

Of course, it's very hard these days to actually enforce... but all you can do is tell people the rules, it's down to them to play within the rules.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

If you disconnected the lap timing button or taped it over you'd be compliant with the track day regulations, I don't see why you wouldn't do this or use a bike without a lap timing function, you're invalidating the TDOs insurance if you time yourself.

[mangocrazy]

If you disconnected the lap timing button or taped it over you'd be compliant with the track day regulations, I don't see why you wouldn't do this or use a bike without a lap timing function, you're invalidating the TDOs insurance if you time yourself.

I could tape over the lap timing button, but it would still work. Are you saying that I would need to open up the handlebar switchgear and physically disconnect or cut the cable? That is verging on the ridiculous. The only way this ruling can work is if it refers to people using the inbuilt lap timing functions - use it and you're banned, don't use it and all is OK. But enforcement would be a virtual impossibility.

Most people don't have the option of not using a bike with lap timing functions. All the modern supersports stuff has it, and they are the bikes most likely to be used at a TD, and the ones that are best suited/intended to be used on a TD.

[Alan PBTD]

Most people don't have the option of not using a bike with lap timing functions.

Really ?

Straight forward to control - random pick riders when they finish the session in Parc Ferme and check dashboards and speak to them.

It's just frustrating when u pick up a crashed bike and the lap timers still running...

ta

[weeksy]

Most people don't have the option of not using a bike with lap timing functions.

Really ?

Straight forward to control - random pick riders when they finish the session in Parc Ferme and check dashboards and speak to them.

It's just frustrating when u pick up a crashed bike and the lap timers still running...

ta

I think we're getting into very picky terminology here.

The fact is, we all know many people have bikes with lap timers, but none of them are automatically on.

Yes 'not using a bike with lap timing function ' isn't possible for some. But using or not using the lap timing function is.

[Alan PBTD]

Agreed - and that's before the topic of leathers..had a guy the other day with a 2 piece kelvar / leather suit - mint gear - with all the body armour / back protector u want - it was a really nice bit of kit but we couldn't let him on track. Fourtunatley he was the same size as Bev and was well impressed with Bev's knee siders..Took loads of pics for his FB site..

[Bigyin]

I think we're getting into very picky terminology here.

The fact is, we all know many people have bikes with lap timers, but none of them are automatically on.

Yes 'not using a bike with lap timing function ' isn't possible for some. But using or not using the lap timing function is.

I agree, my bike has a lap timer function but in order to use it i have to set it up through the dash menu. To then "start" each lap i have to push the headlight flash button.

Quite easy for me not to use it by just turning up and riding the bike as standard

I think the main problem is the racers who rock up for a bit of "pre meeting practise" with their normal transponder fitted and drop in their receiver trackside

[Dodgy69]

I've got it on the mt, forgotten which buttons I need to press to start it, but I'm not interested, I'm just having fun on my road bike. I think it's more a track bike issue where you may push that bit harder, lap after lap.

I do get them though, if you're trying to go quicker.

[mangocrazy]

Most people don't have the option of not using a bike with lap timing functions.

Really ?

Straight forward to control - random pick riders when they finish the session in Parc Ferme and check dashboards and speak to them.

It's just frustrating when u pick up a crashed bike and the lap timers still running...

ta

I think we're getting into very picky terminology here.

The fact is, we all know many people have bikes with lap timers, but none of them are automatically on.

Yes 'not using a bike with lap timing function ' isn't possible for some. But using or not using the lap timing function is.

Yes, that was my point - most modern bikes have the capability, but it's up to the rider if they want to use it. I wouldn't want to have my paid for day cancelled arbitrarily just because I had a bike with that capability, even if I had no intention of using it.

[mangocrazy]

Back in 2005 I attended a track day at Cadwell where everyone was issued with a transponder that was fitted to the bike. Your lap times were monitored and if anyone was seen to be too fast or too slow for their group they were moved to a more appropriate group. And at the end of the event you were emailed a copy of your lap times in the various sessions.

I guess that simply couldn't happen nowadays...

[weeksy]

I wouldn't want to have my paid for day cancelled arbitrarily just because I had a bike with that capability, even if I had no intention of using it.

That has never ever been said on here or in this discussion.

[mangocrazy]

Yes as mentioned any form of on board lap timing and or associated equipment is banned - as it's use is deemend to be a ''speed trial'' and is not allowed by our insurance company. It's the same with any other TDO in the UK.

Will admit tho' - these days it's rather difficult to control.

This was the comment that piqued my interest, and to my mind it can be read as any bike that has lap timing capability is banned. But if it's a case of only if that capability is used that the ban applies, then that's cool and I have no gripes with that.

I don't want to start an argument on a misunderstanding.

[weeksy]

Yes as mentioned any form of on board lap timing and or associated equipment is banned - as it's use is deemend to be a ''speed trial'' and is not allowed by our insurance company. It's the same with any other TDO in the UK.

Will admit tho' - these days it's rather difficult to control.

This was the comment that piqued my interest, and to my mind it can be read as any bike that has lap timing capability is banned. But if it's a case of only if that capability is used that the ban applies, then that's cool and I have no gripes with that.

I don't want to start an argument on a misunderstanding.

I think (and have thought for 20 posts) that you've completely misinterpreted the comment mate. It's not the fact that it's fitted to the bike by the manufacturer that's the issue, it's the fact that you press the button to activate it. There's no arguing here