Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[Horse]

You're milking that now.

I didn't want to bottle it up.

It's enough to give you the Hump(hrey)

You're clutching at a straw.

[slowsider]

I didn't want to bottle it up.

It's enough to give you the Hump(hrey)

You're clutching at a straw.

Advantage, Horse


I'm off to work on an egg.

[Mussels]

I'd be interested to see if companies with a large fleet thats more or less stationary every night end up providing vehicle to grid charging which may stabilise some areas of the national grid?

It's been mentioned a good few times on the fully charged show and various other electric vehicle programmes but so far I've not heard of it happening yet.

If the fleet needs fully charged batteries at 8am then there's not a lot they can do, if they supply the grid for a while then that's extra charging needed later on and if a full charge takes a few hours then it's probably not worth risking a fleet of flat batteries.

[Mr. Dazzle]

UPS and Amazon have both ordered >10,000 electric vans each - although AFAIK neither have actually taken delivery of any yet. They're being supplied by Arrival and Rivian, but I can't remember which is supplying which. I know loads of guys at Arrival, they're sucking up talent left right and centre at their sites in Banbury and Bicester and many of my ex colleagues work there.

Buses too now...

If anything urban buses make the most sense of all. Lots and lots of stop start, not actually driving very far or fast, no real limit on weight and plenty of down time at night.

https://www.automotivetestingtechnology ... c-bus.html

[Horse]

And regular stopping locations for top-ups from in-surface charging. With 'kneeler' buses, that should improve effectiveness.

[Cousin Jack]

Article in the Guardian this last weekend.

Verdict (my take on it anyway)
Lecy cars are ok(ish), but bloody pricey.
Infrastructure sucks.

[JamJar]

More test drives booked for this weekend, testing a Mustang Mach E and a VW ID.4 GTX on Saturday and a Tesla Model 3 on Sunday.

[JamJar]

More test drives booked for this weekend, testing a Mustang Mach E and a VW ID.4 GTX on Saturday and a Tesla Model 3 on Sunday.

What's your view on the depreciation that you're likely to suffer on a new EV?

That's a really good question, I guess there is a risk that EV prices drop over the next three years as they become more popular which is why I am trying to find a car that justifies the premium price.

[JamJar]

That's a really good question, I guess there is a risk that EV prices drop over the next three years as they become more popular which is why I am trying to find a car that justifies the premium price.

It's not just that, it's that used batteries aren't going to last forever, so I'm not sure I'd buy a used EV and then worry about a £20k bill to replace the batteries in a few years. I haven't checked used prices but someone here told me to expect 40% depreciation over 2-3yrs.

All the EV manufacturers guarantee the batteries for 8 year or so and looking at depreciation figures at the moment EV's are out performing ICE cars. Plus it's only money and I love spending it

[Mr. Dazzle]

More test drives booked for this weekend, testing a Mustang Mach E and a VW ID.4 GTX on Saturday and a Tesla Model 3 on Sunday.

Dunno if it's in budget, but the Jaguar iPace is great. It's a few steps above the VW and Tesla in terms of interior quality and comfort.

[JamJar]

More test drives booked for this weekend, testing a Mustang Mach E and a VW ID.4 GTX on Saturday and a Tesla Model 3 on Sunday.

Dunno if it's in budget, but the Jaguar iPace is great. It's a few steps above the VW and Tesla in terms of interior quality and comfort.

It's a bit more than I want to spend, it's the reason I like the Hyndai Ioniq 5, really outstanding interior comfort, a nice quirky look, and only £52k

[JamJar]

All the EV manufacturers guarantee the batteries for 8 year or so and looking at depreciation figures at the moment EV's are out performing ICE cars. Plus it's only money and I love spending it

Depreciation up until year 5-6 might not be bad then, but who would buy an EV knowing you've only got two years of the battery left and then a massive bill - unless it's very cheap to buy, or the batteries become cheaper.

I'd lease one tbh.

My daughters car needs replacing so I might see about leasing an EV and give her my 4x4.

I think you misunderstand, the manufactures guarantee them for 8 years, that doesn't mean the battery will die in the 9th year. Good EV batteries will last more than that, yes they lose some range over time but I've seen articles that show that a batterey will still be usable after 12 years.

[Taipan]

That's a really good question, I guess there is a risk that EV prices drop over the next three years as they become more popular which is why I am trying to find a car that justifies the premium price.

It's not just that, it's that used batteries aren't going to last forever, so I'm not sure I'd buy a used EV and then worry about a £20k bill to replace the batteries in a few years. I haven't checked used prices but someone here told me to expect 40% depreciation over 2-3yrs.

As EVs gain more of the market share, I'd expect that to change more favorably though?

[Mr. Dazzle]

It's a bit more than I want to spend, it's the reason I like the Hyndai Ioniq 5, really outstanding interior comfort, a nice quirky look, and only £52k

The Hyundai seems like hugely good value to me, I suspect they're pricing it really favourably to get a good foothold in the market.

I can get one with tax, servicing, tyres, insurance etc. all included through work for £360pcm. By way of comparison a Mustang Mach E is £490pcm on the same scheme. Both cars have similar range etc, but the Hyundai is better specced inside.

Have you looked at the Polestar?

[Mr. Dazzle]

I've always worked to/assumed somewhere between 20 and 30 years life for OEM stuff. Depends on the kind of car, Supercars are more like 20 (10 in some extreme cases where the owner can obviously afford to fix stuff ) and regular cars 30ish.

[Rockburner]

..... and only £52k

That's where I still get lost. For me 10k is too much for a car.

[Mr. Dazzle]

No-one actually pays £52k for a £52k car these days though, s'all about them monthlies.

[Yorick]

This will coincide with us needing a new car

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new- ... affordable

[Mussels]

..... and only £52k

That's where I still get lost. For me 10k is too much for a car.

I still struggle with someone saying "only 52k for a Hyundai" with a straight face.

Used prices are strong because there are still people willing to pay for image and a global shortage of new cars. I think the prices are due a correction unless people have little choice or replacement batteries become cheaper.

[JamJar]

..... and only £52k

That's where I still get lost. For me 10k is too much for a car.

Yeah but i really don't want a Dacia Sandero