A dram in exchange for the pox...

[Dodgy69]

It's nice to hear the alternative view. It could get boring else.

My local has put a board outside saying. " We will not be opening on the 4th of july" doesn't say when.. Boris normally brings in change on a Monday, a quieter day. But wanting to be a smart arse, 4th july sounds better.

[Skub]

It's nice to hear the alternative view. It could get boring else.

Yes indeed.

I don't do pubs any longer,bit pointless if you don't drink. With regard to restaurants,I'm going to let all the eager beavers work away and watch to see how safe it really is.

Some folk may be in for a rude awakening,but I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

[G.P]

I see no greater risk sitting their garden than in my own.

Will you provide your own cutlery, crockery, etc. . . .

There will be a slightly increased risk, but no more (I would have thought) than if you'd stayed at home and ordered a pizza to be delivered.

I'll only be drinking beer, so just at the mercy of clean glasses but like you say, any takeaway has potential to infect...

My wife is vulnerable - she has MS, but her view is just leave it a few days until these newly re-openedd businesses have got used to the new practices and procedures. I reckon that's a good approach.

[G.P]

It's nice to hear the alternative view. It could get boring else.

My local has put a board outside saying. " We will not be opening on the 4th of july" doesn't say when.. Boris normally brings in change on a Monday, a quieter day. But wanting to be a smart arse, 4th july sounds better.

One of my locals isn't opening until Tuesday evening. I think its mainly because he's a lazy cunt

[demographic]

Can't see me doing the pub for a while.
Might do a socially distanced camping trip/few beers with a couple of mates some weekend when the weathers nice but I'm in no rush to go to any pubs.

[Scootabout]

"Current estimates of the IFR [infection fatality rate] for the coronavirus range from 0.4 to 1.5 percent — so anywhere from 4 to 15 times higher than the flu, which has an IFR of about 0.1 percent."

"Dr. Michael Chang, an infectious disease specialist with McGovern Medical School at UTHealth in Houston, says one of the biggest challenges of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is that it’s completely new.
That means there’s a lot we don’t know about it — how it spreads, how it infects people, how it causes damage in the body, how the immune system responds to it."

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... t-COVID-19

[Scootabout]

Foal's GF might too. They both had it in March, she's still having treatment (and wasn't hospitalised).

I'm hearing about quite a few cases of people suffering longer term effects, such as chronic fatigue.

[Scootabout]

Incidentally, since my wife is shielding, I'm taking a very cautious approach. I doubt that will end until there's a vaccine - could be a while. It's tough on our son, who's living with us, because at 23 he's at much lower risk and might want to take his chances a little more if he didn't live with us.

[rusty]

highly overrated flu

How so?

I've seen many doctors stating the death rate at worst similar to flu.

The "many Doctors" you've seen are either not dealing with it on the front line, are talking shit or are not actually medical Doctors.

[the_priest]

Nope. Not a pub person. Quite happily not be in one, but also, I will also go with groups of friends etc.. not against them, just not really my scene. Too noisy and difficult lighting for lip reading.

[Bigjawa]

Foal's GF might too. They both had it in March, she's still having treatment (and wasn't hospitalised).

I'm hearing about quite a few cases of people suffering longer term effects, such as chronic fatigue.

Big lad I work with, an absolute bear of a man, caught it and now he's fit for fuck all, half an hour of pottering about the garden and he's wrecked.

I'm pretty sure I had a mild case, couldn't get out of bed for 4 days, couldn't taste anything, self swab came back negative but I was back on my feet by the time I was offered the kit.

[Wossname]

hilldweller: "I'm not a medical person and cannot understand or comment on medical conditions...."
[/quote]

- but you still feel qualified to describe it as a " highly overrated flu".

I've heard of doctors who say all sorts of nonsense. I can usually tell the difference tho.

[Gimlet]

waste of time opening them. I rarely visit pubs but if I do it's spontaneous and I expect it to be a pub when I get there.
Local on in the village has a board out saying it is reopening but for drinks only, seated at tables and you must pre-book. What's the point in that?
Who's going to pay going on for a fiver a pint just to sit in a drinks cafe where you have to book in advance and you're not allowed to mingle or lean on the bar? A lot of traditional pubs are going to disappear after this I'm afraid.

I've noticed in a lot of villages I've been through on the bike, on regular evenings local people are having socially distanced get-togethers on whatever bit of green space they've got and bringing their own drinks and chairs to sit on. That sounds much more like it. I could go for that, but not some castrated non-pub where you've got to stick to your own table and do as you're told. It'll work for the first couple of pints then it'll be a free-for-all. Open them properly of don't bother.

Town boozers I expect will ignore the rules and will fill up with the usual alkies. The police and A&E will be busy tonight and they'll be dusting off their breathylisers.

[Taipan]

Not me no, but my daughter has a table booked at Gauchos and then a 2 hour slot in a bar afterwards. I said i'll come and pick her up tonight and we'll have a drive round London's main roads to see how is looking, well, not if it's kicking off, which is quite likely!

[Horse]

Foal's GF might too. They both had it in March, she's still having treatment (and wasn't hospitalised).

I'm hearing about quite a few cases of people suffering longer term effects, such as chronic fatigue.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53291925

NHS England is launching a new service for people with ongoing health problems after having coronavirus.

The government says "tens of thousands" of people have long-term symptoms after catching Covid-19.

[weeksy]

Local pub was surreal. Went down to collect take-away last night. One way system, pre-booked only, but it was the masks, face shields, gloves and the screens etc that made it just very very perculiar. I just have no interest at all in that. Pubs are for social fun and enjoyment. That didn't look any fun at all. I don't see me going until these measures have been removed.

Weirdly the garden was empty, not sure if that was because there was a bit of rain in the air or because of some rules in place in the local. The garden, i'd consider an option.... but not the pub itself.

[Gimlet]

I was driving home last night at about 10:00 pm. Drove past a couple of local pubs. Wasn't wanting a drink so didn't bother going in but glancing through the windows in passing and it all looked completely normal. Groups sat round tables, people clustered at the bar chatting and not a mask in sight.
Drove through town earlier and it was very quiet. Thought there'd be pissed chavs everywhere but only a couple of pubs were open. Can't believe they've all turned teetotal under lockdown. Just got used to Frosty Jack and chicken nuggets on the sofa I reckon.

[Taipan]

My Daughter went to Shoreditch and said it was dead. I didn't tell her SoHo was heaving or she'd probably have gone there. My Son and Nephew went to our one of our locals for a pint and catch up. Said it was fairly quiet but a few very drunk regulars were blatantly ignoring social distancing and the floor marking for queuing and were being reminded by everyone which they thought was hilarious.

The other local pub is a Beefeater and apparently was fully booked all day and the bar was only for restaurant customers. Car park was certainly rammed when I drove past.

[Tomcat]

No, I won't be going, at least until the general infection rate in the country is a lot lower than it is now. Our local pub, which is one the few facilities in the village, has been open and shut on and off for the last 8 years, needs to be supported if we want to keep it, and it's to the credit of the landlord that they are still soldiering on despite the shutdown relatively soon after they came in. So I'll be supporting it by taking the family for a meal, I may start having the odd pint of an evening as well.

That said, wild horses couldn't drag me into the town centre pissup establishments, where British folk prove conclusively they have no common sense and cannot be trusted to do the right thing. To me, pubs are first and foremost places where you go to socialise, and if distancing and household mixing means you can't do that a large part of the rationale isn't there.

BTW, for anyone who still thinks covid is just another flu, here's the first link that google throws up.

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronav ... h-flu.html

[Horse]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53269391

Data from the Covid Symptom Study app, downloaded more than three million times, suggests a "significant number" of people report symptoms for a month. One in 10-20 report it for longer than that, says genetic epidemiologist Prof Tim Spector, who came up with the app idea.

"When this started, everyone assumed it was like the flu, it would all be over in a week and a few people would end up in hospital and either recover or have problems," he says.

"And we now know from people logging onto the app every day that there is a significant proportion of people who have problems lasting not just the average... but over a month."