Making a Triumph a bit less ugly
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Making a Triumph a bit less ugly
So I bought this old bus for the princely sum of £900 around 18 months ago with the intention of keeping wet miles off the Griso and it being an opportunity to have a little project during lockdown.
For a short while there was the possibility of it being yet another CRK cafe racer but the costs looked a bot on the high side and the lack of range and uncomfortable riding position didn't really appeal.
It had 12 months MOT on it, 45k+ miles and the previous owner said he had fettled it to get it running well and through it's MOT but hadn't gelled with so was moving it on. (What bells? I can't hear any bells!)
Anyway he brought it over and it started on the button and I rode it up the drive and nothing fell off, he seemed a nice enough bloke and he gave me lots of paperwork.
Anyway life took over over and it didn't move for a good while but I started making plans as to how I could make it less ugly, I posted previously about wanting to make it look more like this (not the brown seat obviously ) :
I'm also a fan of the Faster Sons XSR700 and there was a touch of similarity which I decided I might try and emulate.
So armed with ideas I joined a few T300 facebook groups and started reading up and looking at other peoples mods and asking a few questions, keeping my eyes peeled for spares and tips.
First thing that went were the union jack stickers - who needs 4 Union Jacks on a bike for christ sakes?! Next up was the rack, someone was looking for one on FB and it had already been labelled as unnecessary weight (which this thing has an abundance of) so that got swapped for a very nice bottle of gin. I could have held out for 2 bottles in hindsight but probably for the best I didn't.
I started using it for commuting and despite it being big and heavy didn't mid it once moving and the mid-range delivery is quite addictive. Once in the turn it felt stable but changes of direction needed a bit more planning than I was used to but put that down to my riding ability more than anything.
The next carbuncle that was irking me was the angle of the silencers, it may be practical for fitting panniers for them to angled down as they were but they are ugly and it turns out darned weighty too. Some oval Delkevics popped up on FB for cheap (£100 delivered) and they seemed to be well liked by other t300 owners so they went into the spares box. As they were first offered up I immediately realised I now had an issue and I overlooked - the mounting point on the rear footrest is different, no problem thinks I and heads off to FB to find some of the higher mount footrest hangers at which point I realised the exhausts might not be such a bargain after all. Not only are the higher mountings as rare as wooden toy animal excrement but people have realised this and decided to extract urine with asking prices. Thus began a long search. A LHS turned up for a reasonable Buy it Now so I snaffled that for £25 the RHS took much longer to locate and cost £40.
At the same time a riser bar kit with top yoke showed up for cheap so I bought that too, should fetch it's cost back easily if I didn't get round to fitting it.
Armed with exhausts and mounts I set about fitting them, all appeared well after some persuading was needed to get the old ones off and off I went for a test ride.
This is where the fuelling issues began. Now I had ridden the bike to work with old silencers on for a couple of months when it was dry and hadn't had any issues. On the test ride it wouldn't run on part throttle but would clear when fully open and would tickover just fine. As nothing else had changed except for the silencers, the old ones went back on but the problem remained, bugger what had I broken. After inspecting the headers and link pipe to see if I had persuaded something loose earlier and finding nothing I decided to bung it over to the tame mechanic and let him swear at it instead.
Picked up and after an initial stalling episode which turned out to be a lack of fuel in the tank all appeared well. Turns out the previous owner had similar mechanical ability to me and had lost various parts of the carbs whilst cleaning and rebuilding them.
As it had been away for a few weeks getting sorted (mechanic had been holiday mid - job) I had been riding the Griso a bit more and after the Sprint it felt like a tiny flickable thing. This coincided with me getting a bit more confident from just riding it further and more often.
On getting the Sprint back I started to think I might be flogging a dead horse, it was never going to look great and the handling felt more ponderous now I had been riding the Griso more for a few weeks. A bit more research on the FB groups led me to finding out it's quite common for most owners to want to speed the turn in up a little more and by lifting the forks through the yokes a you could emulate the Daytona / Speed Triple geometry. Finally got round to doing this last night and early indications are this have made the difference I was looking for
A few more rides to make sure but I think by the time Winter bites I might be looking for the other parts I need to get the fairing off ready for Spring. One of the fork seals has decided that sealing is no longer part of it's job description so a front end strip down will have to happen anyway.
So this is where I'm at for now - a long way to go ! I'll update as things progress allowing me to read back in the future just how much time and money I have wasted on something that in reality will probably end up being nothing like I wanted
For a short while there was the possibility of it being yet another CRK cafe racer but the costs looked a bot on the high side and the lack of range and uncomfortable riding position didn't really appeal.
It had 12 months MOT on it, 45k+ miles and the previous owner said he had fettled it to get it running well and through it's MOT but hadn't gelled with so was moving it on. (What bells? I can't hear any bells!)
Anyway he brought it over and it started on the button and I rode it up the drive and nothing fell off, he seemed a nice enough bloke and he gave me lots of paperwork.
Anyway life took over over and it didn't move for a good while but I started making plans as to how I could make it less ugly, I posted previously about wanting to make it look more like this (not the brown seat obviously ) :
I'm also a fan of the Faster Sons XSR700 and there was a touch of similarity which I decided I might try and emulate.
So armed with ideas I joined a few T300 facebook groups and started reading up and looking at other peoples mods and asking a few questions, keeping my eyes peeled for spares and tips.
First thing that went were the union jack stickers - who needs 4 Union Jacks on a bike for christ sakes?! Next up was the rack, someone was looking for one on FB and it had already been labelled as unnecessary weight (which this thing has an abundance of) so that got swapped for a very nice bottle of gin. I could have held out for 2 bottles in hindsight but probably for the best I didn't.
I started using it for commuting and despite it being big and heavy didn't mid it once moving and the mid-range delivery is quite addictive. Once in the turn it felt stable but changes of direction needed a bit more planning than I was used to but put that down to my riding ability more than anything.
The next carbuncle that was irking me was the angle of the silencers, it may be practical for fitting panniers for them to angled down as they were but they are ugly and it turns out darned weighty too. Some oval Delkevics popped up on FB for cheap (£100 delivered) and they seemed to be well liked by other t300 owners so they went into the spares box. As they were first offered up I immediately realised I now had an issue and I overlooked - the mounting point on the rear footrest is different, no problem thinks I and heads off to FB to find some of the higher mount footrest hangers at which point I realised the exhausts might not be such a bargain after all. Not only are the higher mountings as rare as wooden toy animal excrement but people have realised this and decided to extract urine with asking prices. Thus began a long search. A LHS turned up for a reasonable Buy it Now so I snaffled that for £25 the RHS took much longer to locate and cost £40.
At the same time a riser bar kit with top yoke showed up for cheap so I bought that too, should fetch it's cost back easily if I didn't get round to fitting it.
Armed with exhausts and mounts I set about fitting them, all appeared well after some persuading was needed to get the old ones off and off I went for a test ride.
This is where the fuelling issues began. Now I had ridden the bike to work with old silencers on for a couple of months when it was dry and hadn't had any issues. On the test ride it wouldn't run on part throttle but would clear when fully open and would tickover just fine. As nothing else had changed except for the silencers, the old ones went back on but the problem remained, bugger what had I broken. After inspecting the headers and link pipe to see if I had persuaded something loose earlier and finding nothing I decided to bung it over to the tame mechanic and let him swear at it instead.
Picked up and after an initial stalling episode which turned out to be a lack of fuel in the tank all appeared well. Turns out the previous owner had similar mechanical ability to me and had lost various parts of the carbs whilst cleaning and rebuilding them.
As it had been away for a few weeks getting sorted (mechanic had been holiday mid - job) I had been riding the Griso a bit more and after the Sprint it felt like a tiny flickable thing. This coincided with me getting a bit more confident from just riding it further and more often.
On getting the Sprint back I started to think I might be flogging a dead horse, it was never going to look great and the handling felt more ponderous now I had been riding the Griso more for a few weeks. A bit more research on the FB groups led me to finding out it's quite common for most owners to want to speed the turn in up a little more and by lifting the forks through the yokes a you could emulate the Daytona / Speed Triple geometry. Finally got round to doing this last night and early indications are this have made the difference I was looking for
A few more rides to make sure but I think by the time Winter bites I might be looking for the other parts I need to get the fairing off ready for Spring. One of the fork seals has decided that sealing is no longer part of it's job description so a front end strip down will have to happen anyway.
So this is where I'm at for now - a long way to go ! I'll update as things progress allowing me to read back in the future just how much time and money I have wasted on something that in reality will probably end up being nothing like I wanted
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Re: Making a Triumph a bit less ugly
Ta but the question remains will it end in disappointment, bankruptcy or arson
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Re: Making a Triumph a bit less ugly
I think that's a tricky one to answer. When i look at some of the cafe racers on here, like most members i look at them with a sense of "oh, why didn't you...." but the reality is that making a bike perfect is really really hard. The problem comes for me is that many people work on the wrong parts of a bike, for me anyway. I'd be spending more time on shocks/forks and brakes before worrying whether the exact headlight i've picked is the correct one fitting with my theme or a stitching pattern on a seat etc..Ditchfinder wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:24 am Ta but the question remains will it end in disappointment, bankruptcy or arson
Suspension, weight loss and handling first... then aesthetics later.
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Re: Making a Triumph a bit less ugly
Suspension - fork seals are needed anyway so might as well do the bushes at the same time. Longer preload spacer is a popular mod to make it a bit less divey. The rear linkage has a little play in the bearings so they will get replaced over the winter too and while it's in bits I might see if there's a cheap YSS shock to be had - lowering the back end is possible with a shorter shock too which wouldn't hurt.
Weight Loss - well as we're hoping to ski this year I'll need to shift a bit of timber to save my knees so that should be cheap. Stage 1 - Fairing going, lighter bar and headlight set-up, junk the factory alarm which doesn't work anyway. Stage 2 - could tidy the back end up with smaller mudguard and lights but this won't get done until I'm happy it's a keeper.
The handling should get sorted as much as it can be without getting too spendy by servicing the suspension, if I can stop it wallowing on bumps mid corner I think it will do fine as it is.
It won't be too dissimilar to this if the work over winter goes well
Then it's a decision to be made as to whether I carry on or move it on
Weight Loss - well as we're hoping to ski this year I'll need to shift a bit of timber to save my knees so that should be cheap. Stage 1 - Fairing going, lighter bar and headlight set-up, junk the factory alarm which doesn't work anyway. Stage 2 - could tidy the back end up with smaller mudguard and lights but this won't get done until I'm happy it's a keeper.
The handling should get sorted as much as it can be without getting too spendy by servicing the suspension, if I can stop it wallowing on bumps mid corner I think it will do fine as it is.
It won't be too dissimilar to this if the work over winter goes well
Then it's a decision to be made as to whether I carry on or move it on
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Re: Making a Triumph a bit less ugly
I spoke to a bike builder (I think it was Death Machines) at a custom show. He said with ugerlee bikes you just start taking bits off until it stops the minging, only at that point can you start putting new bits on. Of course some OE bikes have terrible frames and motors once you take the fairing off, so some may have to go further than others.
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Given the weather has decided it's going the way it is and I could do with losing a few kg's I decided the Sprint is going to get SORNed and the buggering about with it can commence. On dryer days before the salting starts the Griso will get the odd run but I'm going to start cycling in to work a bit more often.
Took the Triumph for a longer blast on Saturday pm and took in the Aysgarth - Hawes - Ribblehead - Settle run and found the suspension getting wallowy at the back end in faster corners far too easily. Also on the bumpy sections rebound damping was almost none-existant. By the time I got home both fork stanchions were covered in filthy oil too - so not only are the seals beyond hope but it looks like whatever they were keeping in isn't in good shape either.
The more fuel I put through the engine the better it seems to run - it's being treated to premium stuff at the minute hoping the extra detergents clean the system through a bit.
Whilst wrestling it onto the centre stand I managed to dislodge the random LED that had been bodged into the cockpit which has never done anything. Traced the wiring all the way back to the alarm under the seat which has never worked. So that was job 1, no point it being there as a) it doesn't work and b) christ alive you wouldn't nick it even for the fuel in the tank. Anyway it came off easily enough and I can now see a bit more easily how the wiring at the back can be relocated if I do decide to shorten the back end a bit.
Whilst doing all of this discovered that the front right indicator wasn't working and the connectors that have been bodged in don't look interested in staying connected so it's a fairing off job to tidy it all up and I think once the fairing is off it's staying off and the naked conversion can begin.
Took the Triumph for a longer blast on Saturday pm and took in the Aysgarth - Hawes - Ribblehead - Settle run and found the suspension getting wallowy at the back end in faster corners far too easily. Also on the bumpy sections rebound damping was almost none-existant. By the time I got home both fork stanchions were covered in filthy oil too - so not only are the seals beyond hope but it looks like whatever they were keeping in isn't in good shape either.
The more fuel I put through the engine the better it seems to run - it's being treated to premium stuff at the minute hoping the extra detergents clean the system through a bit.
Whilst wrestling it onto the centre stand I managed to dislodge the random LED that had been bodged into the cockpit which has never done anything. Traced the wiring all the way back to the alarm under the seat which has never worked. So that was job 1, no point it being there as a) it doesn't work and b) christ alive you wouldn't nick it even for the fuel in the tank. Anyway it came off easily enough and I can now see a bit more easily how the wiring at the back can be relocated if I do decide to shorten the back end a bit.
Whilst doing all of this discovered that the front right indicator wasn't working and the connectors that have been bodged in don't look interested in staying connected so it's a fairing off job to tidy it all up and I think once the fairing is off it's staying off and the naked conversion can begin.
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Re: Making a Triumph a bit less ugly
owning a 1995 speed triple I don't actually see them as ugly - they are top heavy, slab sided - but meaningful looking - but maybe not in Sprint guise ...
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Just looking in the background, were you on some sort of 90's bike Trackday?
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Re: Making a Triumph a bit less ugly
It was a Bike Shed Track Day at Brands , last August,Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:27 pm Just looking in the background, were you on some sort of 90's bike Trackday?
The idea was to run bikes that never really went on the track - so not the normal ball out super fast and tyre brigade. And a surprising no of T300 - either in std Speed Triple form , or quite heavily modded ...
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It's the Sprint bit which offends my aesthetic sensibilities - it will probably end up more Trident looking than yours though
Now if I could find some Speed Triple or Daytona bodywork that would be lovely but prices are a little exotic.
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They were meaning "not current track hero bikes"Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:13 pmLike the Ducati 916 family. Piss poor track record of course
Amazing how slow some of the Ducati’s were ...
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Re: Making a Triumph a bit less ugly
Have you contacted Sprint Engineering ? I know seat humps are like rocking horse shit - but I would have thought rear sections are 10 a penny. And all the tanks are basically the same ...Ditchfinder wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:54 pm
It's the Sprint bit which offends my aesthetic sensibilities - it will probably end up more Trident looking than yours though
Now if I could find some Speed Triple or Daytona bodywork that would be lovely but prices are a little exotic.
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Minor progress made at last, forks got removed and taken to a man who can for new bushes, seals and oil. As progress has been so slow it's likely just to get the suspension sorted out front and back this year and cosmetics dealt with at a later date if it proves worthy.
Managed to acquire some later black bodywork off a 96 sprint along with a bag full of odds and sods left over from a CRK conversion for £20 !
Removing most of the faded red stickers and brexity Union Jacks from the plastics has made it look a lot less fussy.
Once the forks are back in the rear linkage is getting removed for a refurb and the rear caliper looks like it has one side sticking so that will need fresh fluids and seals too, fronts don't look too bad so they can wait.
Managed to acquire some later black bodywork off a 96 sprint along with a bag full of odds and sods left over from a CRK conversion for £20 !
Removing most of the faded red stickers and brexity Union Jacks from the plastics has made it look a lot less fussy.
Once the forks are back in the rear linkage is getting removed for a refurb and the rear caliper looks like it has one side sticking so that will need fresh fluids and seals too, fronts don't look too bad so they can wait.
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Didn't realise that Brexit started in 1996.Ditchfinder wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:12 am
Removing most of the faded red stickers and brexity Union Jacks from the plastics has made it look a lot less fussy.
I though they were there because it was made in Hinckley
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You are correctMr Moofo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:04 pmDidn't realise that Brexit started in 1996.Ditchfinder wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:12 am
Removing most of the faded red stickers and brexity Union Jacks from the plastics has made it look a lot less fussy.
I though they were there because it was made in Hinckley
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Apparently didn't put them on bikes destined for Northern IrelandDitchfinder wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:06 pmYou are correctMr Moofo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:04 pmDidn't realise that Brexit started in 1996.Ditchfinder wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:12 am
Removing most of the faded red stickers and brexity Union Jacks from the plastics has made it look a lot less fussy.
I though they were there because it was made in Hinckley
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Forks have been sorted, seals were shot and oil in a shocking state so hopefully improvement will be noticeable. If it gets below Gale Force 10 and above freezing will try and get them on this week ready to strip the rear linkages
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So forks back in, front indicator wiring 'repaired', rear grab rail fitted and rear mudguard cut down a bit too make it a bit tidier.
Despite warnings to the contrary my carbs haven't gummed up having petrol sat in the for 4 months and the battery came back to life after a few hours on charge .
Sorting the forks has calmed the back end down a bit, the damping in the forks was gummed up solid so was contributing to the pogoing.
Next job is to get some thinner grips, I have fat fingers and shall hands so the ones on it are way to thick to hold comfortably. Think the throttle cable is past is best too as it's quite heavy.
Binding rear brake freed off with just a few hard stops. Front brakes feels a bit spongy now the forks don't dive quite so quickly.
It's going to have to naked though, paintwork still showing outline of stickers despite lots of polishing, there's a hard ridge of glue left which survives heatand solvents better than the paint
Despite warnings to the contrary my carbs haven't gummed up having petrol sat in the for 4 months and the battery came back to life after a few hours on charge .
Sorting the forks has calmed the back end down a bit, the damping in the forks was gummed up solid so was contributing to the pogoing.
Next job is to get some thinner grips, I have fat fingers and shall hands so the ones on it are way to thick to hold comfortably. Think the throttle cable is past is best too as it's quite heavy.
Binding rear brake freed off with just a few hard stops. Front brakes feels a bit spongy now the forks don't dive quite so quickly.
It's going to have to naked though, paintwork still showing outline of stickers despite lots of polishing, there's a hard ridge of glue left which survives heatand solvents better than the paint
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