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Just collected this for a weeks demo from Rotec.

No reason other than next week we could really do with 2 Eebs for some riding we have planned and this was the easiest way to facilitate it.

However, it's a hell of a spec and i'm massively curious to try the AXS gears/seat as well.

rear mech battery is currently charging on the desk lol.

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Bosch Performance Line SX (25Km/h) GEN4 SMART SYSTEM Diagonal, Wide

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Nice, what motor ?
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MingtheMerciless wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:03 pm Nice, what motor ?
Bosch CX race i think it is.... about a 400 battery. So it's in the lightweight/fast rather than a big beefy bruiser.

Which kinda doesn't make sense as it's got a fuck load of travel, so is a bruiser in that context.
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You'll hate the forward geometry ...
Or don't they do that now?
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Mr Moofo wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:12 pm You'll hate the forward geometry ...
Or don't they do that now?
They do... and yes this is... but it's in a Medium, which arguably makes it about right in terms of reach... but maybe the front/center is all screwy because of that.

Don't forget, there's no world in which i'm buying this, we simply needed it for weekend/next-week and it'll be interesting to see what it's like.

I'll get it out tomorrow on the local to see.
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weeksy wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:15 pm
Mr Moofo wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:12 pm You'll hate the forward geometry ...
Or don't they do that now?



Don't forget, there's no world in which i'm buying this, we simply needed it for weekend/next-week and it'll be interesting to see what it's like.
We have never ever heard that before ... 8-)
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Mr Moofo wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:18 pm
weeksy wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:15 pm
Mr Moofo wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:12 pm You'll hate the forward geometry ...
Or don't they do that now?
Don't forget, there's no world in which i'm buying this, we simply needed it for weekend/next-week and it'll be interesting to see what it's like.
We have never ever heard that before ... 8-)
LOL we were not talking about £11,000 Ebikes then.... and we're not now either. Well not in terms of purchasing anyway.
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weeksy wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:11 pm
MingtheMerciless wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 2:03 pm Nice, what motor ?
Bosch CX race i think it is.... about a 400 battery. So it's in the lightweight/fast rather than a big beefy bruiser.

Which kinda doesn't make sense as it's got a fuck load of travel, so is a bruiser in that context.
It's the SX, not CX... 55Nm max torque, though can still deliver 600W peak power, albeit at about 110 crank rpm rather than 70-80 of the CX motor...

Keep me informed how it goes... Been looking at getting the Mondraker Sly myself, which has the same motor and suspension system, just slightly shorter travel and 29er both ends...
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Well in the close, the gears are lovely, impressed with axs. It bounces up and down. I'll know more tomorrow.
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Well i thought i'd give it a run out this morning. It was bloody cold that's for sure, it was also sodding muddy, but hey, that's UK in the winter so we go with it.
Sitting on the bike the rear shock felt pretty firm, this was to be a pattern for the ride, i felt overall it was a little harsh, but i know my mate who's ridden it more than me said it was sweet, so maybe that's more me than anything.
The riding position is nice, the Medium feels pretty long with the 'forward geometry' (more on that later).
There's about 5 power modes i think from Eco, to Tour+, emtb, Turbo and off. I spent a chunk of the time in Tour+, mostly due to battery anxiety lol. Although i was never planning on being 20 miles from home so wasn't a massive concern in reality.
The Code RSC ultimates felt exactly how they should, although the rear needs a new set of pads or a bit of a bleed, just a little soft for me, but i'll sort that tomorrow before we head to Cwmcarn.
The gearing, well that was the highlight for me, the AXS gears are just lovely, like really really nice. I don't dislike cable gears, but this stuff is just smoother, nicer, sweeter, yeah massively impressed with AXS

The motor on the DuneXR is also on the right side of lovely actually, pretty impressed with the BoschSX, it was quiet, smooth, really nice. You could feel the differences in power modes really easily and Turbo when tested was plenty of grunt for anything and everything you want. There's a slight bit of over-run which can catch you out just a little bit. This was mostly at slower speeds and tight nadgery turns between trees/features etc. Not a massive issue, just a little 'different'
The cut-out of power and the limiter at 15.5mph was another sweet spot for this motor, it was not very intrusive at all when it kicked out of the power and you barely noticed any pedalling issues compared to some bikes which feel a bit like riding in treacle. Nice again.

The handling, well none of this will come as much of a shock to anyone who's ever read anything i've written about bikes, but i wasn't quite feeling it. It's as much a 'me' thing as it's a bike thing, i don't seem to get far enough forward which makes the front end quite sketchy at time and doesn't really bring me a lot of confidence in the front end of the bike. I've seen it with Birds, Status etc, this sort of longer front end bike doesn't suit my style and whilst it's not a massive issue, i don't feel i can fully commit to things on it.

It seems the ride was 27km
ImageIMG_20250213_110342 by Steve Weeks, on Flickr
Average speed of 18.1kmh

When i got home i had 27% power left in the tank, which isn't a lot, but with a 400w batter it's always going to eat the power. This was massively noticable when hitting turbo mode or even Emtb, it smashes through the battery at a massive rate of knots...

Overall, this is a £12,000 bike... Is that worth 4 of my Orbea Rises, nope... i'm not even sure it's worth 2 of them... I'd argue for the Rise that i paid £3000 for and if i threw an AXS groupset and a fork and shock i may be at say £6000 and i'd have a bike that was far far better for me than the Mondraker.
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weeksy wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:52 am Overall, this is a £12,000 bike... Is that worth 4 of my Orbea Rises, nope... i'm not even sure it's worth 2 of them... I'd argue for the Rise that i paid £3000 for and if i threw an AXS groupset and a fork and shock i may be at say £6000 and i'd have a bike that was far far better for me than the Mondraker.
Appreciate where you're coming from with the spec of the bike not being worth the extra (and Ohlins forks and shocks are always way overdamped for most of us mortals out of the box), arguably would be fairer to compare the "entry level" model @ £6799 with your Orbea Rise, and the rrp of your Rise originally too which would have been more than £3k...

But it does highlight just how personal bikes are. I reckon I've owned in excess of 50 MTB's over the 35yrs I've been riding, and I can probably recall just 5 of them that were "Goldilocks" for me personally...

How tall are you out of interest? 460mm reach on a medium sized bike isn't long at all IMO... Not any more... Mondraker's "forward geometry" is actually pretty conservative by most brands' standard these days. The 63.5HA is pretty slack granted, but I'm 5ft10 and prefer around a 470-475mm reach ideally, which is where my Large Orbea Rise was at albeit that had a 65HA, and why at 455mm I am finding my medium Orbea Wild too short!

Anyway... More on the motor...? Have you ridden a Bosch CX to compare the SX to...? How did you find the SX in comparison to your EP8 on your Rise...? I'm literally about to pull the trigger on either the Mondraker Sly or a Mondraker Crafty right now, both 150/160 29er full sus', near enough identical geometry, one with Bosch SX and 400Wh battery (I'd need range extender for some rides) and the other with Bosch CX and 800Wh battery... 🤔

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I'm 6'0 and 470 is my usual sweet spot (Although my Fuel is 460)

The power/performance of the SX is perfectly good, but the 400w is too small mate. This was what i'd class as a flat ride, i'm going to guess at mayb 350m tops of elevation. I'd deffo want more for a proper ride. I'll be the first to admit when i MTB on an eeb i do lean on the power more than some... but that's why i'm riding an eeb that day not a manual lol.
I've not ridden the Bosch other than Crusts Rail for a mile or so.... So really hard for me to compare any more than that.

I know when i used to ride the Yamaha i always felt the 70Nm was a bit much at times, whereas the Rise with it's 60Nm really does feel like the sweet spot.
In comparison of the Rise/Dune motors, i'd say the Dune feels like it has a bit 'more' despite the fact i know that's not strictly correct. But i'd happily own either.
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We're out on the Rise/Mondy on Sunday as well as Weds at Cwmcarn, me and the boy will be swapping between both over the days, so i'll get his opinion too.
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weeksy wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 12:29 pmThe power/performance of the SX is perfectly good, but the 400w is too small mate. This was what i'd class as a flat ride, i'm going to guess at mayb 350m tops of elevation. I'd deffo want more for a proper ride.
That's my primary worry about the Sly I'll be honest... I figure whilst 400Wh would be fine for quick solo rides, 2hr blasts after work etc... Most of my rides are 4hr+ with other mates on full fat eBikes. I might be more efficient at battery management than they are (never run my 750Wh down yet, typically only get down to 30-40% most of my rides), if I got a bike with a 400Wh internal battery I'd end up bolting a range extender to it and leaving it on permanently probably... Which is another 1.5kg onto the weight of the Sly, as well as limiting bottle space inside the frame too.

Sat on a M/L Crafty R yesterday, it felt good. Also didn't feel like its claimed 23.9kg picking it up, so if I fitted a 600Wh battery instead of the 800, lighter wheels, carbon bars, lighter drivetrain and brakes etc that I own already, I reckon I would get it down to 22.5kg with pedals, which ain't bad for a full fat 29er eBike with a decent sized battery at all!
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If I were riding with others I wouldn't pick the DuneXR, it's too restrictive in performance and battery.
I still think the Rise is an absolute sweet spot, by the time I buy my next one I don't want much different really, just more miles but rides basically the same as mine.

Me and Crust did a full day out last summer and mine died in the last mile, but I could have ridden it differently at a push to eek it out. That was about 40 miles.
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The boy LOVED the DuneXR "so playful and fun" said he. Everything was ACE.

He got 40km of vert riding, with 27% left in battery... but it had been turned off or in Eco for the majority lol. That's just how he rides things.

We're going to set the suspension up a little tonight/tomorrow for Weds riding, but he's happy enough as it stands. I think the only thing he'd change early doors is the price-tag as the £12000 means he's got 0 chance of getting one.

The majority of his vid/footage from the day isn't getting posted though i'm afraid as there's a lot of line choices he picked up throughout the day and he doesn't want to give them away to the Insta race crowd.
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weeksy wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 8:02 pm If I were riding with others I wouldn't pick the DuneXR, it's too restrictive in performance and battery.
I had a chat with Jake from Sprung yesterday, he said the SX and 400Wh is fine for around 1000m of vertical for him, but he's pretty fit and under 80kg...

I'm 95kg and still got some fitness to get back!

I've ordered the Crafty... :D
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mboy wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 5:21 pm
weeksy wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2025 8:02 pm If I were riding with others I wouldn't pick the DuneXR, it's too restrictive in performance and battery.
I had a chat with Jake from Sprung yesterday, he said the SX and 400Wh is fine for around 1000m of vertical for him, but he's pretty fit and under 80kg...

I'm 95kg and still got some fitness to get back!

I've ordered the Crafty... :D
What's the Crafty spec ?
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The one I've ordered is the base R model... Carbon front end, alloy rear triangle... https://mondraker.com/uk/en/crafty-carbon-r1721822445

Bosch CX Gen 5 motor (so 85Nm torque, 600W peak power) with 800Wh battery.

Comes with...

-Fox 38 Performance
-Fox Float X Performance
-Full XT 12spd drivetrain & 4 pot brakes
-Mavic Deemax wheels
-Mondraker's "OnOff" own brand finishing kit

Planned changes/upgrades already... Not a fan of Shimano XT drivetrain or brakes, so that'll all be coming off, got my X01 12spd setup to go on and probably gonna go with Hope Tech 4 V4 brakes. Will upgrade the fork to Performance Elite level with Grip2 damper. Swap the wheels out for my custom DT 350's on FR541's I built, or a different pair of Mavic Deemax's. Fit my carbon Nukeproof bars, choice of grips, possibly go up to a 35-40mm stem (stock 30mm seems a touch short), saddle of choice and obviously change the tyres... Oh and I've already got some Pinnd cranks that will go on too.
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Lol that's a lot of changes, but nice job! I bet it'll be bloody epic!

I look forward to seeing it in the flesh soon
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