Marquez to Gresini...?
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
Now we'll see some fun.
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
I hope he goes out there on it and wipes the floor with them all.
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
I’m really glad it’s happened. It’s got to be positive for the class.
Looking forward to next season!
Looking forward to next season!
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
Marquez was a faster rider than Pedrosa when they were both at Honda and look at Danny on the couple of races he's had this year. My opinion is that there isn't the depth of talent in the MotoGP paddock to trouble Marquez on a competetive bike. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do well at Gresini then switch to KTM at the end of next season.
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
Premier class championships on three different marques would see him surpass Rossi's two, it's probably the only thing he's not beat Vale at yet.
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
Gresini haven't made their announcement yet, I wonder if they'll get 2024 bikes?
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
I doubt it, but yearly increases are tiny. The lap times hardly improve at all.
The important thing is the factory support. Gresini have a good relationship with the red factory.
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
It's going to be embarrassing for him if he doesn't win on a Ducati.
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
It was for Rossi!Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:04 pm It's going to be embarrassing for him if he doesn't win on a Ducati.
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
The bike was shit then. Any old dog can win on it now.KungFooBob wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:05 pmIt was for Rossi!Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:04 pm It's going to be embarrassing for him if he doesn't win on a Ducati.
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
Everyone said it was shit, but somehow Stoner had managed to win on it.Yorick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:24 pmThe bike was shit then. Any old dog can win on it now.KungFooBob wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:05 pmIt was for Rossi!Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:04 pm It's going to be embarrassing for him if he doesn't win on a Ducati.
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
Many years apartKungFooBob wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:26 pmEveryone said it was shit, but somehow Stoner had managed to win on it.
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
I just hope that Ducati don't rely on him to much for development direction. Over the years of MM being the lead rider the bike gradually became one that only he could ride. There's an argument to be made that MM is part of the reason that Honda are in the state they are.
There is no cloud, just somebody else's computer.
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
Doohan told the factory what he wanted.mangocrazy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:29 pm I just hope that Ducati don't rely on him to much for development direction. Over the years of MM being the lead rider the bike gradually became one that only he could ride. There's an argument to be made that MM is part of the reason that Honda are in the state they are.
Ditto Rossi.
Ditto MM.
They know what works.
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We can never really know what input the factories take on board and act upon. I don't think the riders 'know what works', but they do know how they want the bike to behave and their input is skewed according to their riding style. MM can do things on a bike that few other (if any) riders can manage, so his input will be based on his level of bike control.Yorick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:36 pmDoohan told the factory what he wanted.mangocrazy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:29 pm I just hope that Ducati don't rely on him to much for development direction. Over the years of MM being the lead rider the bike gradually became one that only he could ride. There's an argument to be made that MM is part of the reason that Honda are in the state they are.
Ditto Rossi.
Ditto MM.
They know what works.
I think the reason that Dani is such a good development/test rider is that he didn't have quite the last half a percent of riding skill that MM had and as a result is able to communicate to the engineers what a top-level, but not super-freak, rider needs from a bike.
There is no cloud, just somebody else's computer.
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
I saw an interview years ago.mangocrazy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:45 pmWe can never really know what input the factories take on board and act upon. I don't think the riders 'know what works', but they do know how they want the bike to behave and their input is skewed according to their riding style. MM can do things on a bike that few other (if any) riders can manage, so his input will be based on his level of bike control.Yorick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:36 pmDoohan told the factory what he wanted.mangocrazy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:29 pm I just hope that Ducati don't rely on him to much for development direction. Over the years of MM being the lead rider the bike gradually became one that only he could ride. There's an argument to be made that MM is part of the reason that Honda are in the state they are.
Ditto Rossi.
Ditto MM.
They know what works.
I think the reason that Dani is such a good development/test rider is that he didn't have quite the last half a percent of riding skill that MM had and as a result is able to communicate to the engineers what a top-level, but not super-freak, rider needs from a bike.
Rider comes in and tells team what he wants.
Team do what he wants.
90% of time rider is happy.
It's the 10% that only the rider knows.
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Re: Marquez to Gresini...?
Indeed we have a very good test rider telling where the factory needs to goYorick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:53 pmI saw an interview years ago.mangocrazy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:45 pmWe can never really know what input the factories take on board and act upon. I don't think the riders 'know what works', but they do know how they want the bike to behave and their input is skewed according to their riding style. MM can do things on a bike that few other (if any) riders can manage, so his input will be based on his level of bike control.
I think the reason that Dani is such a good development/test rider is that he didn't have quite the last half a percent of riding skill that MM had and as a result is able to communicate to the engineers what a top-level, but not super-freak, rider needs from a bike.
Rider comes in and tells team what he wants.
Team do what he wants.
90% of time rider is happy.
It's the 10% that only the rider knows.
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