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weeksy wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:55 pm It absolutely bemused me and bollox excuses about more power or strangling the engine are just pathetic

Bikers are just bloody selfish at times. It could all be negated by running stock bikes, but so so many won't do it.

Totally agree, but this ruling means the majority will be punished if a few fail, if you turn up with a standard pipe that’s completely unfair. If it’s that critical and it appears it is make it standard exhausts only no exceptions.

weeksy wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:55 pm It absolutely bemused me and bollox excuses about more power or strangling the engine are just pathetic

Bikers are just bloody selfish at times. It could all be negated by running stock bikes, but so so many won't do it.

Not quite. I've always liked my bikes to make a better, more aggressive than standard. Not louder.

There's a big difference.

My bikes always sounded good with nice pipes on, but always passed the most stringent tests.

Road riders (including you) put on after market pipes which will piss off the general public

Yorick wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:42 pm Road riders (including you) put on after market pipes which will piss off the general public

None of my bikes in the last 10 years have run anything other than a quiet exahust.

Even the ZX6 is 'aftermarket' but as quiet as a standard can.

Couchy wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:02 pm

weeksy wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:55 pm It absolutely bemused me and bollox excuses about more power or strangling the engine are just pathetic

Bikers are just bloody selfish at times. It could all be negated by running stock bikes, but so so many won't do it.

Totally agree, but this ruling means the majority will be punished if a few fail, if you turn up with a standard pipe that’s completely unfair. If it’s that critical and it appears it is make it standard exhausts only no exceptions.

I'm missing something.... the only people being punished above are the ones who flaunt the rules ?

There was a bit about 'if a number of machines fail then the session will be terminated'.

cheb wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:14 am There was a bit about 'if a number of machines fail then the session will be terminated'.

Ah right... OK, i've no problem with that either.

Make the bikes who cause the stoppage all wait at the holding area so we can all call them wankers !

weeksy wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:21 am

cheb wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:14 am There was a bit about 'if a number of machines fail then the session will be terminated'.

Ah right... OK, i've no problem with that either.

Make the bikes who cause the stoppage all wait at the holding area so we can all call them wankers !

And miss a session because of a few that don’t follow the rules ? Punishing the whole session for a few isn’t right when they could just state road legal cans only.

Couchy wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:36 am

weeksy wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:21 am

cheb wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:14 am There was a bit about 'if a number of machines fail then the session will be terminated'.

Ah right... OK, i've no problem with that either.

Make the bikes who cause the stoppage all wait at the holding area so we can all call them wankers !

And miss a session because of a few that don’t follow the rules ? Punishing the whole session for a few isn’t right when they could just state road legal cans only.

I think road legal cans these days is slightly unrealistic. But really it should be negated by checking every bike has a baffle anyway, so part B of pulling the session should never come up as it's been taken care of before sending people out anyhow.

I couldn't imagine any trackday organiser pulling off the good bikes because of some bad.

weeksy wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:43 am

Couchy wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:36 am

weeksy wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:21 am

Ah right... OK, i've no problem with that either.

Make the bikes who cause the stoppage all wait at the holding area so we can all call them wankers !

And miss a session because of a few that don’t follow the rules ? Punishing the whole session for a few isn’t right when they could just state road legal cans only.

I think road legal cans these days is slightly unrealistic. But really it should be negated by checking every bike has a baffle anyway, so part B of pulling the session should never come up as it's been taken care of before sending people out anyhow.

It shouldn’t happen but it’s a threat to punish the whole group and that’s just weak. Police the noise properly as a circuit and be strict and you won’t have this issue.

7 weeks to go then. 9.30, it'll be almost time for FP1 and to see who's brought their A game lol.

Looking forward to it and not a bad turnout

Interesting comments so here’s how I see it.

We as TDO’s have to abide by the circuit rules ( and our customers the same time ) and the circuit have to operate within the permit agreements provided by the local councils. It’s the same all over the UK. In the past we’ve perhaps been a little lightweight regarding noise – and have let too many through the net.

Our previous ‘’normal’’ procedure was – if noise flagged – for the rider to sort it out and then continue – if flagged again then we’d help ( fit DB killers etc) and then if still too loud the bike would be parked up.

What actually was happening is that Joe Bloggs gets flagged – then he’d fit his baffle ( despite numerous requests ) – then flagged again - now the excuses - I forgot / it’s in the van / thought it was 98 DB and it passed @ Donnington last week. Then he'd fail again as it was originally 100 DB plus and is now only 98 etc and we have the same conversation again and it won't rev to 16K.

But recently Joe is joined by 4/5/6 others in the group ( we run 24 max ) and it gets to be a complete farse – with the marshalls spending all the session having to flag these riders and we’re in the paddock sorting all the crap out. And it’s not just the morning session – happens after lunch and the last sessions as well…And the circuits wondering what sort of event we're running.

So we’ve had a think and come up with a basic plan – we visually check the pipes before they go out – first sessions – make notes – if the rider say’s it Ok then fine – no problem but they are told if it fails then park it up – it's their call. No If’s / But’s / Maybe’s.
Last time we did this we had ONE flag all day cos he’d decided to take his baffle out for the last session and then argue – ''it was OK all day so why wait until now to flag me ?''

It shouldn’t happen but it’s a threat to punish the whole group and that’s just weak. Police the noise properly as a circuit and be strict and you won’t have this issue. –
OK so one flag and u park up ( like Silverstone ? )

And you’ve come from London and it was Ok last time - and you’ve booked for 2 days and this is in the first morning ? And as you’re sharing a van and now you're telling me I can’t ride - my mate will have to come home with me now...and he’s booked for 2 days so you’ll be refunding his and my places x 3 /4 ?

It has come to a head where I've stopped the whole session and then had to speak to all the group – I didn’t hang specific riders but it was close..
Yes, initally it seem harsh but then when so many riders ignore the request what else do u do ?

What really gets up my goat is the constant subject of noise and an increasing number of riders taking the p*ss. They just don’t fit the DB killers / baffles and then winge when it reads 99 / 100 DB I get the impression that some people tink because the circuits in the back of beyond they can get away with it ?

You'd never get enough riders @ a ‘’Road Silencer Only Day’’. Markets not big enough in South Wales ish. And ...

What do u do with Joe’s mate who came last week who’s got a bog stock Gixxer 600 with a OE road can – but we cant make out why it’s blowing so much – ''Oh I took the Cat off'' he says…Can u fit the DB killer as I've no tools ? - Happened a few weeks ago.

Or do we do like Donnington and the noise meter's also monitored by the local council - and if the ''average'' level is to high then track time is stopped by them and u have a 2 hour lunch break ?

Anyway as I said to one rider ‘ unofficially as some of the boys can do flat minutes and blow 95 DB when you get close I'll look at allowing you a Race Silencer…’’

Cheers

TBH I'd go with the one strike and you're out. Make it clear but then I'm happy running a standard exhaust as I don't need the extra power, well I do but I don't care.
While at it I'd make sure anyone running a lap timer has a session out, any crashed bike found with a live timer running on it gets a ban too. For too long rules have been ignored, if we want trackdays to continue as a sport things need to change

Yep - we're down to ''One Strike and You're Out'' and it's all down to Uncle Al to deliver the news...

Alan PBTD wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:11 pm Yep - we're down to ''One Strike and You're Out'' and it's all down to Uncle Al to deliver the news...

If it's one of ours, I'll give you £50 to let me send them home at 9.30, £100 if it's @Couchy

Couchy wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:13 pm TBH I'd go with the one strike and you're out. Make it clear but then I'm happy running a standard exhaust as I don't need the extra power, well I do but I don't care.
While at it I'd make sure anyone running a lap timer has a session out, any crashed bike found with a live timer running on it gets a ban too. For too long rules have been ignored, if we want trackdays to continue as a sport things need to change

GSXR1000s have a built in lap timer.
But it's shit as it has to be activated by the right hand

Even my old Falco has a lap timer function. Same as Aprilia's RSV Mille and 250cc stinkwheels. Never used mine, but banning any bike with a lap timer would lead to a vanishingly small grid.

I hears rumours that folk were putting bikes into lower power modes for static noise testing.

mangocrazy wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:50 pm Even my old Falco has a lap timer function. Same as Aprilia's RSV Mille and 250cc stinkwheels. Never used mine, but banning any bike with a lap timer would lead to a vanishingly small grid.

It's a requirement by the insurance folk.
Timed events are banned.