Can we have an "Unpopular Opinion" thread?
- Mr Moofo
- Posts: 5908
- Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:41 pm
- Location: Brightonish
- Has thanked: 1926 times
- Been thanked: 1728 times
Re: Can we have an "Unpopular Opinion" thread?
Frito Lay is the anme of the company that owns Walkers , Lays, Doritos and a bunch of other stuff.
They are owned by Pepsi.
When Frito game to Europe, i cam remember a meeting with the Technical President when he said " We want to be the Coca Cola of the snacks world - but don't quote me on that"
The formulations will vary country top country - dependant on what the local taste profile is. Belgians like dill pickle flavour, the French Chicken Roti , the Germans Weiss /Rot sauce and paprika
The rest of Europe is having the UK type flavours rolled out to them - so in markets that used to hate salt and vinegar it's now quite popular.
Cheese and onion profile is probably not the same in the UK as it is in Germany, France or anywhere else. But also Walkers have been constantly revising the C&O profile to make it cheaper. It tastes nothing like it did 15 years ago.
They are owned by Pepsi.
When Frito game to Europe, i cam remember a meeting with the Technical President when he said " We want to be the Coca Cola of the snacks world - but don't quote me on that"
The formulations will vary country top country - dependant on what the local taste profile is. Belgians like dill pickle flavour, the French Chicken Roti , the Germans Weiss /Rot sauce and paprika
The rest of Europe is having the UK type flavours rolled out to them - so in markets that used to hate salt and vinegar it's now quite popular.
Cheese and onion profile is probably not the same in the UK as it is in Germany, France or anywhere else. But also Walkers have been constantly revising the C&O profile to make it cheaper. It tastes nothing like it did 15 years ago.
- Taipan
- Posts: 19325
- Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:48 pm
- Location: Essex Riviera!
- Has thanked: 20857 times
- Been thanked: 13672 times
Re: Can we have an "Unpopular Opinion" thread?
That's where we've come unstuck though. Been in really busy restaurants and not been impressed and surprised even, but yes, not expensive places. Seems the smaller, equivalent priced places try harder ime?Sadlonelygit wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:04 amDepending on what you want, quality or quantity.Taipan wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 9:39 am I used to drive through France and back again each year. The problem we always had with good food, was where to find it! Oddly, a packed restaurant was no guarantee of it either. Sometimes we'd get lucky in small bistros but most times we'd end up using a chain in the hope some consistency, my favourite being Hippopotamus!
A wine merchant advised me to go to city train stations for dinner as its govt run and has properly trained chefs in? We did try this once and we did indeed have a decent meal but we often stopped in villages without a big train station so it wasn't much help.
If pile it high is your priority, find a 'le routier'
For quality, look at the mdj and price it up mentally, then see how many locals are eating there!
- DefTrap
- Posts: 4740
- Joined: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:23 am
- Has thanked: 1838 times
- Been thanked: 1468 times
Re: Can we have an "Unpopular Opinion" thread?
You can't go wrong with TripAdvisor reviews really. Look at recent-ish reviews as some places (especially tourist destinations) inevitably change hands frequently and the good/bad reviews from a few years back may not apply.Taipan wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:03 am That's where we've come unstuck though. Been in really busy restaurants and not been impressed and surprised even, but yes, not expensive places. Seems the smaller, equivalent priced places try harder ime?
-
Sadlonelygit
- Posts: 1095
- Joined: Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:10 pm
- Has thanked: 94 times
- Been thanked: 796 times
Re: Can we have an "Unpopular Opinion" thread?
A good friend of mine used to work for Flavourite back in the day, and iirc they supplied the entire UK crisp industry.Mr Moofo wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:33 am Frito Lay is the anme of the company that owns Walkers , Lays, Doritos and a bunch of other stuff.
They are owned by Pepsi.
When Frito game to Europe, i cam remember a meeting with the Technical President when he said " We want to be the Coca Cola of the snacks world - but don't quote me on that"
The formulations will vary country top country - dependant on what the local taste profile is. Belgians like dill pickle flavour, the French Chicken Roti , the Germans Weiss /Rot sauce and paprika
The rest of Europe is having the UK type flavours rolled out to them - so in markets that used to hate salt and vinegar it's now quite popular.
Cheese and onion profile is probably not the same in the UK as it is in Germany, France or anywhere else. But also Walkers have been constantly revising the C&O profile to make it cheaper. It tastes nothing like it did 15 years ago.
It was always round to Jane's on a Friday night for free crisps.
Last edited by Sadlonelygit on Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
-
Jody
- Posts: 2203
- Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:49 am
- Location: Biarritz in Summer, Cornwall In Autumn, Courchevel in Winter
- Has thanked: 2317 times
- Been thanked: 1822 times
Re: Can we have an "Unpopular Opinion" thread?
If you want to pile it high, there are LOADS of Buffet Volantes which do a wide range of dishes, including my favourite, sushi !Sadlonelygit wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:04 amDepending on what you want, quality or quantity.Taipan wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 9:39 am I used to drive through France and back again each year. The problem we always had with good food, was where to find it! Oddly, a packed restaurant was no guarantee of it either. Sometimes we'd get lucky in small bistros but most times we'd end up using a chain in the hope some consistency, my favourite being Hippopotamus!
A wine merchant advised me to go to city train stations for dinner as its govt run and has properly trained chefs in? We did try this once and we did indeed have a decent meal but we often stopped in villages without a big train station so it wasn't much help.
If pile it high is your priority, find a 'le routier'
For quality, look at the mdj and price it up mentally, then see how many locals are eating there!
- Count Steer
- Posts: 15906
- Joined: Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:59 pm
- Has thanked: 8035 times
- Been thanked: 5694 times
Re: Can we have an "Unpopular Opinion" thread?
I don't know if these sorts of places are dying out in France but I've had quite a few meals, mainly in rural France but more than once in Paris and there were quite a few on the N roads, where you pretty much got what had been prepared on the day and it was like sitting down to a meal cooked by your mum! (Assuming your mum was a a good cook
). Quite often you'd be sat near a table of chaps who were on a work gang nearby, or a couple of lorry drivers etc. Not very expensive, just a well cooked 3 course dinner watched over by 'Maman'. Limited opening times too.
I loved 'em.
I loved 'em.
The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.
- Felix
- Posts: 5237
- Joined: Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:34 am
- Has thanked: 714 times
- Been thanked: 2039 times
Re: Can we have an "Unpopular Opinion" thread?
I can eat a few flavours of Lays crisps as they are Gluten free. When last checked i cant with Walkers. Mostly due to the use of Malt Barley in the flavouring. That to me is an ingredient difference what is important to flavour.Flux wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 9:04 amWrong, I worked for Walkers for 19 years and exactly the same product could be packaged as Lays or Walkers.Felix wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 7:48 amThey are both owned by Pepsi but that is about it. They are made in different factories in different parts of the world. They may both do Cheese and Onion but that does not mean they are the same. If that was the case then we would all just buy ALDI cheap shit.Taipan wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 6:45 pm
Lays are Walkers, or more accurately Walkers are Lays everywhere else but the uk.
- DefTrap
- Posts: 4740
- Joined: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:23 am
- Has thanked: 1838 times
- Been thanked: 1468 times
Re: Can we have an "Unpopular Opinion" thread?
Nope, they're all over. "Menu du marche". Expect to pay c15€ for 3 courses.Count Steer wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:56 pm I don't know if these sorts of places are dying out in France but I've had quite a few meals, mainly in rural France but more than once in Paris and there were quite a few on the N roads, where you pretty much got what had been prepared on the day
-
Sadlonelygit
- Posts: 1095
- Joined: Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:10 pm
- Has thanked: 94 times
- Been thanked: 796 times
- ChrisW
- Posts: 3492
- Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:46 pm
- Has thanked: 3714 times
- Been thanked: 3027 times
Re: Can we have an "Unpopular Opinion" thread?
Sounds very much like the 'Menu del Día' places I've been to in north eastern Spain - *very* limited choice but at least one course is either meat or fish and you get a starter, main, salad, wine, water & pudding for not much money and the customers are builders, office workers & tourists like me.Count Steer wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:56 pm I don't know if these sorts of places are dying out in France but I've had quite a few meals, mainly in rural France but more than once in Paris and there were quite a few on the N roads, where you pretty much got what had been prepared on the day and it was like sitting down to a meal cooked by your mum! (Assuming your mum was a a good cook). Quite often you'd be sat near a table of chaps who were on a work gang nearby, or a couple of lorry drivers etc. Not very expensive, just a well cooked 3 course dinner watched over by 'Maman'. Limited opening times too.
I loved 'em.![]()
- Count Steer
- Posts: 15906
- Joined: Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:59 pm
- Has thanked: 8035 times
- Been thanked: 5694 times
Re: Can we have an "Unpopular Opinion" thread?
They get that, the French get cuisine du marché, we get....ChrisW wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 7:41 pmSounds very much like the 'Menu del Día' places I've been to in north eastern Spain - *very* limited choice but at least one course is either meat or fish and you get a starter, main, salad, wine, water & pudding for not much money and the customers are builders, office workers & tourists like me.Count Steer wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:56 pm I don't know if these sorts of places are dying out in France but I've had quite a few meals, mainly in rural France but more than once in Paris and there were quite a few on the N roads, where you pretty much got what had been prepared on the day and it was like sitting down to a meal cooked by your mum! (Assuming your mum was a a good cook). Quite often you'd be sat near a table of chaps who were on a work gang nearby, or a couple of lorry drivers etc. Not very expensive, just a well cooked 3 course dinner watched over by 'Maman'. Limited opening times too.
I loved 'em.![]()
...Greggs.
The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.
- ChrisW
- Posts: 3492
- Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:46 pm
- Has thanked: 3714 times
- Been thanked: 3027 times
Re: Can we have an "Unpopular Opinion" thread?
There's always the Co-Op meal dealCount Steer wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 8:30 pm They get that, the French get cuisine du marché, we get....
...Greggs.![]()
- Taipan
- Posts: 19325
- Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:48 pm
- Location: Essex Riviera!
- Has thanked: 20857 times
- Been thanked: 13672 times
-
Mr. Dazzle
- Posts: 16347
- Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:57 pm
- Location: Milton Keynes
- Has thanked: 2417 times
- Been thanked: 6369 times
-
Mussels
- Posts: 5041
- Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:02 pm
- Has thanked: 781 times
- Been thanked: 1072 times
- Taipan
- Posts: 19325
- Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:48 pm
- Location: Essex Riviera!
- Has thanked: 20857 times
- Been thanked: 13672 times
Re: Can we have an "Unpopular Opinion" thread?
Lumpy mashed potato is much better than the potato puree, baby food they serve you in restaurants.
-
Jody
- Posts: 2203
- Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:49 am
- Location: Biarritz in Summer, Cornwall In Autumn, Courchevel in Winter
- Has thanked: 2317 times
- Been thanked: 1822 times
Re: Can we have an "Unpopular Opinion" thread?
But people keep going in their droves and love wailing on about how great it is.Count Steer wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 8:30 pmThey get that, the French get cuisine du marché, we get....ChrisW wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 7:41 pmSounds very much like the 'Menu del Día' places I've been to in north eastern Spain - *very* limited choice but at least one course is either meat or fish and you get a starter, main, salad, wine, water & pudding for not much money and the customers are builders, office workers & tourists like me.Count Steer wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:56 pm I don't know if these sorts of places are dying out in France but I've had quite a few meals, mainly in rural France but more than once in Paris and there were quite a few on the N roads, where you pretty much got what had been prepared on the day and it was like sitting down to a meal cooked by your mum! (Assuming your mum was a a good cook). Quite often you'd be sat near a table of chaps who were on a work gang nearby, or a couple of lorry drivers etc. Not very expensive, just a well cooked 3 course dinner watched over by 'Maman'. Limited opening times too.
I loved 'em.![]()
...Greggs.![]()
Much like McDonalds, KFC, Burger king etc, It's Not very good, it's not well presented and it's not good value for money
- Rockburner
- Posts: 6033
- Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:06 am
- Location: Hiding in your blind spot
- Has thanked: 10959 times
- Been thanked: 3995 times
Re: Can we have an "Unpopular Opinion" thread?
Its scary tbh.Jody wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:50 amBut people keep going in their droves and love wailing on about how great it is.Count Steer wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 8:30 pmThey get that, the French get cuisine du marché, we get....ChrisW wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2024 7:41 pm
Sounds very much like the 'Menu del Día' places I've been to in north eastern Spain - *very* limited choice but at least one course is either meat or fish and you get a starter, main, salad, wine, water & pudding for not much money and the customers are builders, office workers & tourists like me.
...Greggs.![]()
Much like McDonalds, KFC, Burger king etc, It's Not very good, it's not well presented and it's not good value for money
Every time i go into town on a Saturday, there's a queue outside Greggs. There's plenty of other cafes etc that are perfectly reasonably priced, always with room... Etc
I reckon they're spiking the food with something.
Oh, and yes i have "eaten" from Greggs in the past.... The tissue thin "serviette" had more food content and was tastier.
non quod, sed quomodo

