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Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:09 pm
by cheb
KungFooBob wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:02 pm
The original Supervan was just a transit body on GT40 chassis.
All the supervans kinda remind ne of that Espace that Renault put an F1 engine in.
Au contraire, the Espace F1 echos the Supervans.
The Carlos Fandango wheels on the first Supervan are proper comedy.
Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:07 am
by Felix
KungFooBob wrote: Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:02 pm
The original Supervan was just a transit body on GT40 chassis.
All the supervans kinda remind ne of that Espace that Renault put an F1 engine in.
Fancy paint job and got the Banana engine pumping away under that bonnet.

Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:54 am
by Mr. Dazzle
It was built to win at Le Mans. And it did. Not outright obviously, but the GT class.
A small Turbo engine is better for that. Porsche won outright in the Prototype classes with a 2 litre V4
Road cars are all going Turbo now for emissions and economy.
Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:27 am
by Mr. Dazzle
Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:01 am
by cheb
You're right, I think I do.
Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:10 am
by KungFooBob
The XJ220 reminds me of the Amiga game, which was basically just a re-skined version of Lotus Esprit Turbo challenge, except you could tune the radio to play the a-team theme.
The odd things you remember, eh!
Oh and I'd happily have an Esprit, but don't think I'd fit in one. Maybe one for Potters list.
Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:33 am
by KungFooBob
The other thing that springs to mind when the 220 is mentioned is the top gear Clarkson review where he accelerated so fast the radio fell out.
Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:37 am
by Mr. Dazzle
Poor old XJ220

Technological masterpiece, fastest car in the world, Le Mans success (but later DQd) ridiculous price tag, a proper 1990s long and low hyper car.
Completely gazumped by the even more impressive McLaren F1 which launched a few months later

The last road car (probably ever, now) to win Le Mans outright.
Potter wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:36 am
Mr. Dazzle wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:54 am
Road cars are all going Turbo now for emissions and economy.
If you’re used to driving a big capacity NA petrol engine then any turbo engine feels rubbish, even the better ones like I had in my 911.
Maybe so, but if you want to win races, which Ford did, then you need a Turbo

Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:38 am
by KungFooBob
...and my F1 top memory is that the driver sat in the middle.
Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:39 am
by David
KungFooBob wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:33 am
The other thing that springs to mind when the 220 is mentioned is the top gear Clarkson review where he accelerated so fast the radio fell out.
Aaah...Jaguar build quality...
they don't make them like they used to....thank goodness.
Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:40 am
by Mr. Dazzle
KungFooBob wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:38 am
...and my F1 top memory is that the driver sat in the middle.
Yeah Gordon Murray also did that on another road car.

Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:45 am
by David
My first three road cars had central seating.
Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:49 am
by Rockburner
David wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:45 am
My first three road cars had central seating.
Messerschmitts?
Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 10:22 am
by Bigjawa
Potter wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:36 am
Mr. Dazzle wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 6:54 am
Road cars are all going Turbo now for emissions and economy.
If you’re used to driving a big capacity NA petrol engine then any turbo engine feels rubbish, even the better ones like I had in my 911.
I wouldn’t have another turbo engine in a sports car, it ruins them.
Unfortunately emissions will eventually kill off big N/A engines, its all about small turbos from here on in.

When Granny's wee one litre runabout puts out the same power as a 3 litre Capri, you know the writing is on the wall for the big stuff.
Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 10:35 am
by Yorick
KungFooBob wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:33 am
The other thing that springs to mind when the 220 is mentioned is the top gear Clarkson review where he accelerated so fast the radio fell out.
I worked for a firm in Farsley and the owner bought a NEW XJ220.
After a while someone worked out the first year's depreciation. It was than anybody there earned.
Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 11:34 am
by Yorick

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Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2024 11:28 pm
by ZRX61
KungFooBob wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:10 am
Oh and I'd happily have an Esprit, but don't think I'd fit in one. Maybe one for Potters list.
I saw three last week...
Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 9:14 am
by David
Rockburner wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:49 am
David wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:45 am
My first three road cars had central seating.
Messerschmitts?
That they be....
Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 9:30 am
by cheb
Huns at three o'clock, tally ho chaps.
Re: Classic Fords
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 9:49 am
by kendo57
Back in the 90's i took a noisy Ford Cosworth engine out, as Cosworth's were still fairly new ,Ford asked us not
to strip the engine and said they would take it for inspection and supply a new one.
I fitted new engine and put old one back in the crate, the crate sat in the workshop for months uncollected
so one day i removed the cam cover and hung it on my garage wall.
Fast forward to now and i saw someone selling fibreglass replica cam covers on EBay which got me thinking
there must be a market for them .
I cleaned up my 30 year old cover and put it on EBay a few weeks ago and got £420 quid for it.