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Sounds like a minus point to memangocrazy wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:31 pm The big difference between the MT-09 and the XSR models is that the XSR (all variants) have a longer swingarm than the MT-09, making it less wheelie-prone and more stable. To me that's a big selling point for the XSR models.
200 gee gees negates that problemLe_Fromage_Grande wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:36 pmSounds like a minus point to memangocrazy wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:31 pm The big difference between the MT-09 and the XSR models is that the XSR (all variants) have a longer swingarm than the MT-09, making it less wheelie-prone and more stable. To me that's a big selling point for the XSR models.
I can understand that, but then I did fit a 2 inch longer than standard swingarm to my LC for just the same reasons.Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:36 pmSounds like a minus point to memangocrazy wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:31 pm The big difference between the MT-09 and the XSR models is that the XSR (all variants) have a longer swingarm than the MT-09, making it less wheelie-prone and more stable. To me that's a big selling point for the XSR models.
Doesn't it make it a bit "tippy" into corners?mangocrazy wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:46 pm I can understand that, but then I did fit a 2 inch longer than standard swingarm to my LC for just the same reasons.
This was back in the 1980s, but from memory it made a genuine improvement, probably because the swingarm was made from box section steel and was much stiffer than the standard one. With a Spax shock fitted it steered and handled pretty well. But in the late 80s I put it all back to standard and sold all the 'upgrade' bits.Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:06 pmDoesn't it make it a bit "tippy" into corners?mangocrazy wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:46 pm I can understand that, but then I did fit a 2 inch longer than standard swingarm to my LC for just the same reasons.
I must ride differently to you because I find mine a bit pointless on up changes but really good for down changes, on the brakes into a corner I don't have to pull the clutch in or blip the throttle as I change down.Dodgy69 wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:25 pm The base mt does come standard with everything except fancy suspension, heated grips and cruise.
QS are ace imo, On the road you can make use of ups but downs not so much, mainly very hard braking, on track yes, yes, yes.
that's the whole point of the QS, you can't have bad changes, you push the lever, it does the rest.. that's the whole thing.Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:38 pm Of course this could all prove to be a disaster in two years time when the gearbox shits itself because of my poor down changes.
You've not seen me use it, trying to stop myself from blipping the throttle on down changes and closing the throttle on up changes isn't going well, I'm seriously tempted to disconnect it, I'm trying to learn a different way of changing gear after 40 years of riding.weeksy wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:39 pmthat's the whole point of the QS, you can't have bad changes, you push the lever, it does the rest.. that's the whole thing.Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:38 pm Of course this could all prove to be a disaster in two years time when the gearbox shits itself because of my poor down changes.
Agree. I don't have a bike with a QS, but if I ever did buy one it would have to be able to be disabled (IYSWIM)v8-powered wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:23 pm I never liked a QS on the road but loved it on the track. I certainly wouldn't get concerned about my road bike not having one, in fact I'd rather a bike that didn't....
I find it good on the road for going down 3 gears as you come into a round about, I tend to short shift up to 6th on a dual carriageway and then come down 3 gears when I get to a round about, the quick shifter is really good for this.Dodgy69 wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:37 pm Where I find the blipper best is going down the box quick, say 5 to 2/1st. On the road I have no need.
They ain't necessary but make riding on track easier and more fun.
Well no, but my first 15 years of biking they didn't have them. Admittedly that's less than you guys, but FFS it's not a fortnight.Potter wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:40 am You didn't grow up not using one though, for some of us we'd need CBT to get out of the habit
But somehow you manage to adaptPotter wrote: Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:40 am I have bikes with different gear selections, and I've had bikes with the gear lever and even the kickstart on different sides.
My Jap bikes have been one down five up, my race bikes were one up and five down and my old British bike is one up three down.
You've only just come to that conclusion?