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Potter wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:45 pm This is worth a read...

https://www.motolegends.com/reviews/Buy ... 1360084a4c

You could easily come away from that article thinking that the price you'll pay on goods bought from the EU will now have both duty and VAT added, whereas, of course, they did before.
The EU seller, selling to pre-Brexit UK had already been charged import duty on the goods bought in.
When now selling to a UK customer the goods are 'bought for export' so the EU seller won't be charged the duty...it is paid by the UK purchaser rather than the EU seller, but it isn't double-paid. The only caveat on that is that duty will be payable on the retailer margin, but as motorcycle retailers will tell you, that's a pretty small amount!
Also, the UK tariff schedule is either the same, or lower than it was as part of the EU so it could well be the duty you pay is less than you were paying when we were in the EU.
VAT would also have been charged before, so, again it isn't a new cost.
The handling charge is an additional cost however, although it's amazing how little the handling cost is when we import bits from, say, China!


As an aside, the import tariffs on bikes over 500cc are 6% whereas under 500cc are 8%. Presumably there could be some innovation in the tariff now that we aren't part of the protecting French, Spanish and Italian scooter racket?!

I thought consumer rights had been agreed with EU?
There are a couple of other points I'm not sure are correct but I don't think he's deliberately getting thinks wrong, the rules just seem to be a mess right now.

Potter wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:45 pm This is worth a read...

https://www.motolegends.com/reviews/Buy ... 1360084a4c

"Some people will bemoan their lack of access to cheaper prices in Europe, and we understand this. But, by the same token, UK retailers have often been taken advantage of, with bikers wasting their time on identifying the right garment and the right size, in the full knowledge that they were only ever going to make their purchase overseas. And that has been somewhat unfair. We don’t stand by dealers who give shoddy service. But if your local dealer has given you a good service, they have probably earned the right to your custom. Furthermore, there has never been a time when your local seller has more needed your support."

Absolutely this.... I could have potentially saved £45 buying the new exhaust from Italy (assuming i didn't get hit for charges) but instead i bought from the UK distributor.

This, in the FT today:
This bit surprised me, so much for tarif-free keeping prices the same!

A large beer here is €1.50. Who do I complain to ?

Horse wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:47 pmThis, in the FT today:

Of the £3.50 bottle of wine £2.80 is tax, so that leaves 70p a bottle for production, bottling, shipping, producer margin and retailer margin, yet he reckons it'll be £1.50 a bottle extra for having to fill out some forms.

It's a wonder how the Aussies, Chileans, Kiwis etc, etc, manage to sell us wine all this time.

Kneerly Down wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:09 pm

Horse wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:47 pmThis, in the FT today:

Of the £3.50 bottle of wine £2.80 is tax, so that leaves 70p a bottle for production, bottling, shipping, producer margin and retailer margin, yet he reckons it'll be £1.50 a bottle extra for having to fill out some forms.

It's a wonder how the Aussies, Chileans, Kiwis etc, etc, manage to sell us wine all this time.

Give us a shout when they produce a decent Pomerol

You mean a Merlot...decent Chilean ones available!

Kneerly Down wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:14 pm You mean a Merlot...decent Chilean ones available!

I agree that there are some very good Chilean Merlots, Pomerol AOC is in a class of its own IMO

Kneerly Down wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:09 pm

Horse wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:47 pmThis, in the FT today:

It's a wonder how the Aussies, Chileans, Kiwis etc, etc, manage to sell us wine all this time.

Well, they won't need a €75 certificate for it leaving the EU!

Yorick wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:52 pm A large beer here is €1.50. Who do I complain to ?

The horse that produced it ?

Horse wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:51 pm

Kneerly Down wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:09 pm

Horse wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:47 pmThis, in the FT today:

It's a wonder how the Aussies, Chileans, Kiwis etc, etc, manage to sell us wine all this time.

Well, they won't need a €75 certificate for it leaving the EU!

So the EU hamstrings it’s exports, isn’t that what part of brexit was about for the UK

Yorick wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:52 pm A large beer here is €1.50. Who do I complain to ?

€0.61 here for a large bottled beer, though on occasion I go for the really expensive stuff at €0.65; sometimes you just feel like splashing the cash

Hoonercat wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:29 pm

Yorick wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:52 pm A large beer here is €1.50. Who do I complain to ?

€0.61 here for a large bottled beer, though on occasion I go for the really expensive stuff at €0.65; sometimes you just feel like splashing the cash

Flash git!

Wreckless Rat wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:14 pm

Horse wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:51 pm

Kneerly Down wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:09 pm

It's a wonder how the Aussies, Chileans, Kiwis etc, etc, manage to sell us wine all this time.

Well, they won't need a €75 certificate for it leaving the EU!

So the EU hamstrings it’s exports, isn’t that what part of brexit was about for the UK

As I said, that and the other paperwork surprised me. However, with (previously) 52% of the UK's imports being from the EU, charges like that aren't going to help keep prices down.

However:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/get-proof-o ... your-goods

So we're doing the same, it seems. I have no idea of the costs involved but presumably all the stuff we flog to the EU will have to increase in price to cover the increase.

Win-win? More expensive imports and exports.

Horse wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:18 pm However:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/get-proof-o ... your-goods

So we're doing the same, it seems. I have no idea of the costs involved but presumably all the stuff we flog to the EU will have to increase in price to cover the increase.

Don't know where the Euro 75 cost comes in, although the Continentals, with their Roman Law, do rather rely on Notary Publics, and I can see them charging Euro 75 for a signature.

With our lovely UK Common Law we can usually, and I think also in this instance, get away with just our own signatures to the docs, or even no signature if you're a regular.

Kneerly Down wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:33 pm With our lovely UK Common Law we can usually, and I think also in this instance, get away with just our own signatures to the docs, or even no signature if you're a regular.

What, no red tape, inspectors, regulations, queues, triplicate copies, etc.?

The govt seems to have found a solution

British businesses that export to the continent are being encouraged by government trade advisers to set up separate companies inside the EU in order to get around extra charges, paperwork and taxes resulting from Brexit.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... shop-in-eu

slowsider wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:15 pm The govt seems to have found a solution

British businesses that export to the continent are being encouraged by government trade advisers to set up separate companies inside the EU in order to get around extra charges, paperwork and taxes resulting from Brexit.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... shop-in-eu

Roughly what my employers have already done (and done previously for operating in other countries outside of the EU).

So much for cutting red tape and being better for the UK economy.