Valuable lesson on Zwift today...

[weeksy]

Was racing on Zwift and in the start pen i noticed i was on my lads weight, he's been hammering Zwift lately with his new trainer.

So i thought i'd race as him at 70kg... By eck it's FAST lol... you can really motor. The hills get destroyed and the change of pace from 3w/kg to 6w/kg comes really easy. I lost in the sprint but had 10w/kg for the sprint which is unheard of. I was playing with the other riders mostly and powering away, then letting them close, just to keep me entertained.

It highlighted something i saw on Insta from his ex-trainer about riding with a weight-pack fitted at 10kg and how much harder it was...

It's really made me think that i need to get some lard shifted this year and get down to a decent weight.

How i do that, apart from eat better and move more... i've yet to work out... but it's got to be a plan.

[MrLongbeard]

You could just cheat, get the jabs or get diagnosed as being diabetic

[weeksy]

You could just cheat, get the jabs or get diagnosed as being diabetic

I can't say it's not something i've considered, but i have enough stomach issues without adding in more of them. I'm still not convinced on the long-term effects of the jabs and any side-effects. They sound like utter hell, apart from the obvious context of incredible weight loss.

[MrLongbeard]

They are mighty tempting, but there are enough potential dodgy side effects to put me off, along with, takes them right out of the picture for me;

it then takes an average of just one and a half years for people to put back on all the weight they've lost, results published in the British Medical Journal reveal.

https://news.sky.com/story/mounjaro-and ... s-13491633

[Rockburner]

How i do that, apart from eat better and move more... i've yet to work out... but it's got to be a plan.

Don't eat as much, move more.

As a slight aside: is it just me that's finding modern "meal sizes" (both those served in restaurants, and supermarket style "easy to cook" meals) are now pretty big? I get to the end of a meal (I was brought up to finish what I'm served) and I'm stuffed beyond comfort.

[weeksy]

and I'm stuffed beyond comfort.

i find that a challenge

But no, not really for me.

[Count Steer]

How i do that, apart from eat better and move more... i've yet to work out... but it's got to be a plan.

Don't eat as much, move more.

As a slight aside: is it just me that's finding modern "meal sizes" (both those served in restaurants, and supermarket style "easy to cook" meals) are now pretty big? I get to the end of a meal (I was brought up to finish what I'm served) and I'm stuffed beyond comfort.

I thought they were getting smaller - apart from the places that load everything with the cheap ingredients. Also fish n' chips - is it possible to increase the batter to fish ratio any further??

I keep reading that restaurants are reducing portion sizes 'cos half the population is on Wegovy. Well, that's their story.

As for weight loss, eat (and definitely drink) less and eat 'right'. I shifted 3st on that basis. It took a while though.

[cheb]

What's worked for me: Eating less, moving more and a change of habits. The first too are obvious, the last less so. I get up between 0430 and 0500 every day but now don't have anything to eat until 0900 at the earliest, mostly as I have to be on site for 0600. The first break is at it 0900.

I'm at least 15kgs lighter than I was mid last year. That's a good thing generally but it can be frustrating when I need sheer bulk to move heavy things, like full 205L drums.

[Noggin]

It's really made me think that i need to get some lard shifted this year and get down to a decent weight.

How i do that, apart from eat better and move more... i've yet to work out... but it's got to be a plan.

It's definitely eat better not eat less!! You move a lot from the sounds of it but eating BETTER is the way to go. And also when you eat.


My SDad has done a keto diet with a big focus on fasting for a number of years and looks amazing. He also has a routine for lifting weights at home on top of his walking, allotment work (he has a massive allotment and grows all his own veg and enough for his friends and neighbours!) and gardening jobs.

He is a firm believer in fasting (as are some other friends) and for him the keto suits him as he did and would over eat a lot of the things that don't work on that diet. He also did it for health reasons, can't remember what but he had some issues (including prediabetic and side effects from statins) - the keto sorted that, he lost a ton of weight and now focuses on weights, working activity and cheats a bit on keto but mostly sticks to it pretty well


Definitely look at volume, but also what type of foods and what they can do for you?

[Bustaspoke]

I've been using Zwift for 6 or 7 years,do at least 100km a week plus other stuff.As a training tool I really like it ,no excuses & the only variable is the ambient temp & what food I've eaten.
I wouldn't obsess to much about the weight as I think quite a few people cheat on there,just set your goals & use it as a training tool.
Regarding Keto,I found out about Keto last year after I was diagnosed with Hypertension AKA High blood pressure,I got my BP down with meds but the side effects made me feel terrible,after the last time they took my BP (I'd got my BP down to the target with meds),the nurse said 'well that's the new you,just stay on the meds'.I decided that wasn't happening so I decided to educate myself on Hypertension,found out about Keto,also cutting down the carbs,it took a few months but I was back in the docs at the end of December,on no meds & blood Pressure where it should be The final piece in the puzzle for me was drinking Decaff after mid morning. I couldn't do Keto permanently but it did the trick short term,now,unless I'm having some beer I fast between 18.00 & 09.00,works for me

[Count Steer]

Was racing on Zwift and in the start pen i noticed i was on my lads weight, he's been hammering Zwift lately with his new trainer.

New trainer? I must have missed that change.

As for food I imagine one of the biggest issues is that you're spending a lot of time 'on the road'. You can probably sort what you eat when camped out but there's next to nothing on the menus at places like Premier Inn that I'd put in the 'Dinner of Champions' category and the same goes for pubs, pizza houses and curry places.

It's tricky eating 'right' away from home on a regular basis.

[Couchy]

You exercise enough so just cut the calorie intake down. Two packs of crisps or one mars bar less a day. It’s a simple equation doesn’t need any fancy diet just burn more than goes in, with your exercise you must be overeating a fair bit if not losing or maintaining weight

[Tricky]

You exercise enough so just cut the calorie intake down. Two packs of crisps or one mars bar less a day. It’s a simple equation doesn’t need any fancy diet just burn more than goes in, with your exercise you must be overeating a fair bit if not losing or maintaining weight

Agree- absoloutely that.

Quite a timely thread for me, as although I've been doing 45-60 mins in the gym ( no weights, just aerobic stuff - 3 or 4 miles on the treadmill, 50-100 sit-ups and some core exercises) 5 or 6 days a week for best part of the last two years , and I eat very healthily at home by and large ( admittedly mainly due to Isabella's Crohn's) but I do also love beer, and biscuits, chocolate etc, and have been partaking most days, so although I consider myself to be reasonably fit, I have retained a small-ish layer of blubber over the top of any core muscle definition.

At the begining of this year I decided I wanted rid of that, mainly because this season I want to try and win some non-old man races , so to that end I've cut out all alcohol at home, no chocolate, Greggs etc or other shit food, and if I want to graze, I just eat cherry tomatoes and oranges, bananas etc.

And without really trying too hard ( I've still had the odd night out on the beer and Indian etc here and there) , weight is dropping away , I've lost 5kg in the last 4-5 weeks, and inch or more off my waist and I'm definitely yawning less during the day.

I'm really enjoying it too and it's my new regime, so whereas for the past two seasons I've been having a few (typically 2 to 4 pints) every evening on race weekends, this season none will be passing my lips until Sunday nights.

It'll probably make 3/5 of feck-all difference to my speed, but you never know, and maybe I'll even get a visible six-pack again ( haven't had one of those since my twenties )

[Bustaspoke]

You exercise enough so just cut the calorie intake down. Two packs of crisps or one mars bar less a day. It’s a simple equation doesn’t need any fancy diet just burn more than goes in,

That's what I thought until 18 months ago. ..

[Noggin]

You exercise enough so just cut the calorie intake down. Two packs of crisps or one mars bar less a day. It’s a simple equation doesn’t need any fancy diet just burn more than goes in,

That's what I thought until 18 months ago. ..

Weight loss is not always simple and the constant "move more and eat less" is kind of a kick in the teeth to people that have stuff going on that precludes that simplistic mantra - foods not being as good for their system as others, medical/mental stuff, how their system reacts to various food types/groups!!

Each person has to find what works/what is affecting their weight/stopping food doing what it should - and yes, most people probably can just eat less and move more.

But I've said this before I just know much more now about my health and all the 'diet' stuff/processes/guidelines that are tested on men only and then thought/expected to work for women as well - but often it doesn't

Not that this makes any difference to Weeksy cos I reckon his solution may well be simple and he's definitely not a girl!!

[cheb]

The laws of physics apply to women too, less energy in and more energy out means any animal will lose weight.

That said I think women have a great deal more psychological pressure than men about their weight and that's for each woman to deal with in her own way.

I've never paid much attention to what I eat and I'm not convinced that faddy diets are any help either. Combining foods not eating some at the same time as others sounds a bit too much like decided what you should eat based on the phases of the moon or your horoscope sign, Western or Chinese. Humans can survive on anything from vegan to completely carnivorous so anywhere between those extremes should work, medical problems notwithstanding.

[Count Steer]

Combining foods not eating some at the same time as others sounds a bit too much like decided what you should eat based on the phases of the moon or your horoscope sign, Western or Chinese. Humans can survive on anything from vegan to completely carnivorous so anywhere between those extremes should work, medical problems notwithstanding.

Combining foods has some science behind it...bioavailability and all that malarkey. It's more about optimising nutrition rather than survival.

https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/th ... __20260130

[cheb]

When did Which magazine branch out from testing vacuum cleaners and the like?

[Count Steer]

When did Which magazine branch out from testing vacuum cleaners and the like?

They still do vacuum cleaners - and cars, phones, washing machines etc.

(But they now do a gardening magazine, stuff on finance and a health newsletter too. I guess they know their (elderly) audience. ).