950 multistrada for all year around commuting?

[KungFooBob]

Modern BMW cars have two levels for 'programming'.

There's an area that it stores new maps and coding that your typical home enthusiast can access and change, when it goes to the dealer, they just overwrite it.

There's also an area that holds all the same settings referred to as the VO (Vehicle Order), the dealer doesn't overwrite that area at service, but if they spot it's been changed it invalidates any warranty.

[Taff]

I didn't know that Suzuki had a short plug life as well, or seems a bit pants to be shoving the service costs up by £50 replacing parts that should last many times the interval.

Good point. I can't imagine many potential Duke owners wanting a cosmetically challenged one,no matter how cheap.

It's a vehicle for getting me to places.
I keep my bikes for a long time and put milage on them so I can't worry too much about resale value, it's a fact that after a year or two it's not going to be in showroom condition. If I did worry about the value I would have to commute by car and put up with being stuck in traffic like everyone else, and I really really don't want to be doing that.
Having said all if this, my tiger sold for about £3k iirc with over 60k on the clock so there is a buyer for everything.

This was the video that made me mention resale of a 950 multi

That's interesting, 2.5k is silly cheap even when you factor in that it's the lowest spec with some milage (22k isn't even high milage really) and needing a grands worth of servicing. As you'd expect he's not complaining about anything being wrong with the bike
There's nothing about at the moment at anywhere near that price, the cheapest I can see is double with the same spec and milage.

The one's I've looked at are sub 10k miles, s version with 3 box luggage, centre stand and other bits and pieces.
the luggage is essential for me so that's cutting down the number of bikes available.

[mangocrazy]

If heaven forbid your ABS just failed nad you had no brakes, or your FBW throttle slammed you into the back of a truck, you'd drop the "it's my bike and I can do what I like with it" attitude pretty damned quick

You've gone full Chicken Licken there, mate. I'd really like to know how a rogue RBW throttle map could slam you into the back of a truck, and if ABS fails on a modern Jap bike you'd probably have better brakes rather than none at all...

[Mr. Dazzle]

ABS can theoretically fail in the "off" position too you know, it's just a lot of very thorough work by a lot of (mostly German) people which means it doesn't

I totally accept these scenarios are very very unlikely, in fact I do more than accept it, I take some credit for it. Which is why we don't let you poke around in our stuff

[mangocrazy]

It's a known fact that ABS is actually a performance limiter, especially in race/track day situations, which is why manufacturers almost always disable ABS on their track launches. MCN's Neevesy is particularly scathing about ABS systems on Japanese bikes.

[Taff]

If heaven forbid your ABS just failed nad you had no brakes, or your FBW throttle slammed you into the back of a truck, you'd drop the "it's my bike and I can do what I like with it" attitude pretty damned quick

You've gone full Chicken Licken there, mate. I'd really like to know how a rogue RBW throttle map could slam you into the back of a truck, and if ABS fails on a modern Jap bike you'd probably have better brakes rather than none at all...

I'd expect that a really shit map could certainly trash an engine and there's plenty of stupid people out there that are more than willing to 'have a go' at fiddling with stuff, and then try to make a warranty claim. (and then get all social media justice warrior when it's rejected)

[Mr. Dazzle]

It's a known fact that ABS is actually a performance limiter, especially in race/track day situations, which is why manufacturers almost always disable ABS on their track launches. MCN's Neevesy is particularly scathing about ABS systems on Japanese bikes.

Aye - but if it was still enabled but did just the wrong thing it would leave you in a sticky spot. Or perhaps a not sticky enough spot. And crucially you'd be talking about software errors for that to happen.

And if it's such a known fact that it's a performance limiter, why is it banned in MotoGP and F1? I always wonder that....

But anyway, this isn't saying much about a Multistrada as a commuter

[Taff]

It's a known fact that ABS is actually a performance limiter, especially in race/track day situations, which is why manufacturers almost always disable ABS on their track launches. MCN's Neevesy is particularly scathing about ABS systems on Japanese bikes.

Aye - but if it was still enabled but did just the wrong thing it would leave you in a sticky spot. Or perhaps a not sticky enough spot. And crucially you'd be talking about software errors for that to happen.

And if it's such a known fact that it's a performance limiter, why is it banned in MotoGP and F1? I always wonder that....

But anyway, this isn't saying much about a Multistrada as a commuter

may be, but it's interesting chat.

for the chat about system failures and the effects of the failures is getting pretty close to my job, and it gets really interesting when you get under the skin of what the design engineers want to do, and then the safeguards I suggest they might want to build in

[Mr. Dazzle]

You might want to look into ASIL then....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotiv ... vel#ASIL_D

Crucially, ASIL puts pretty strict requirements on software too - so teh integrity of code and electrical functions is just as important as all your bolts being done up. For an OEM to demonstrate that software can't be "corrupted" by the public would be pretty hard, so they do the more sensible thing of not letting the public meddle with it.

[Taff]

We have a similar standard for Aerospace that works along similar lines, along with a pretty strict safety assessment process that drives out the safety requirements including all of the independence of functions in software and complex hardware etc.

most people find it pretty dull but I'm a nosy git and keep asking why? and how?

[Mr. Dazzle]

I worked alot around both, I'd imagine ASIL was actually derived from aerospace standards anyway. Our aerospace sister firm have tried to poach me more than once and I've always told them no, the much higher standards in aerospace - and associated level of what I consider to be tedious ball ache - being one big reason why

[mangocrazy]

If heaven forbid your ABS just failed nad you had no brakes, or your FBW throttle slammed you into the back of a truck, you'd drop the "it's my bike and I can do what I like with it" attitude pretty damned quick

You've gone full Chicken Licken there, mate. I'd really like to know how a rogue RBW throttle map could slam you into the back of a truck, and if ABS fails on a modern Jap bike you'd probably have better brakes rather than none at all...

I'd expect that a really shit map could certainly trash an engine and there's plenty of stupid people out there that are more than willing to 'have a go' at fiddling with stuff, and then try to make a warranty claim. (and then get all social media justice warrior when it's rejected)

I'm sure it could, but I was working under the knowledge that I personally wouldn't allow halfwits access to critical systems.

Then I remembered some of the people I've worked with over the years and I can see why stuff is locked down so tight...

[Supermofo]

I didn't know that Suzuki had a short plug life as well, or seems a bit pants to be shoving the service costs up by £50 replacing parts that should last many times the interval.



It's a vehicle for getting me to places.
I keep my bikes for a long time and put milage on them so I can't worry too much about resale value, it's a fact that after a year or two it's not going to be in showroom condition. If I did worry about the value I would have to commute by car and put up with being stuck in traffic like everyone else, and I really really don't want to be doing that.
Having said all if this, my tiger sold for about £3k iirc with over 60k on the clock so there is a buyer for everything.

This was the video that made me mention resale of a 950 multi

That's interesting, 2.5k is silly cheap even when you factor in that it's the lowest spec with some milage (22k isn't even high milage really) and needing a grands worth of servicing. As you'd expect he's not complaining about anything being wrong with the bike
There's nothing about at the moment at anywhere near that price, the cheapest I can see is double with the same spec and milage.

The one's I've looked at are sub 10k miles, s version with 3 box luggage, centre stand and other bits and pieces.
the luggage is essential for me so that's cutting down the number of bikes available.

He did another video where he got it checked over and serviced at a Ducati dealer. Turns out nothing wrong with it. It was a one off cheap bike though, who knows why

[Whysub]

Multistradas seem to hold their prices well here such as:

Screenshot_20250905_105246_Milanuncios.jpg (202.52 KiB) Viewed 347 times

Plenty available with over 70,000kms on the clock, probably none of which were ridden on salt covered roads

[Taff]

Damn, that's pretty impressive.

The one that I was going to look at this weekend has sold already which is a shame, because it had the right spec, milage and price, but another one will come around at some point.

[Taff]

Today's ride out with MrsTaff didn't end quite as expected, I said let's pop into CMC Newport for a coffee and bacon roll and then go onto another shop that we wanted to look at stuff.

Well this happened




Anyone wanna buy a cbf1000 with 27k miles on the clock?