Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[ZRX61]

Interesting website, its worth looking on the Who We Are section..

Slightly late edit but I reckon even more interesting would be a Who Funds Us section.

All they do is post links/articles from other websites...It doesn't matter who they are or who funds them. Already went through this with one muppet who always claims the website isn't credible.. & who promptly STFU about it after I pointed out he'd posted a story that was also shared on CCD...

Maybe try this link:
https://issuesinsights.com/2024/12/17/p ... er-on-evs/

[Saga Lout]

Fell a bit short of expectations:

https://climatechangedispatch.com/despi ... delivered/

Interesting website, its worth looking on the Who We Are section..

Slightly late edit but I reckon even more interesting would be a Who Funds Us section.

Even even more interesting would be you telling us which parts of the article are wrong. (If you think it's wrong.)

[Pirahna]

Fell a bit short of expectations:

https://climatechangedispatch.com/despi ... delivered/

Interesting website, its worth looking on the Who We Are section..

Slightly late edit but I reckon even more interesting would be a Who Funds Us section.

Even even more interesting would be you telling us which parts of the article are wrong. (If you think it's wrong.)

The trucks mentioned in the article are being made by Oshkosh. The US Postal Service was give $3bn in 2023 to modernise it's vehicle fleet, Oshkosh was one of several contractors involved, with their role being to design and build a new truck for delivery in 2025. From the five minutes I spent researching I think the 93 vehicles delivered so far are pre production test trucks. So far the project looks on track however, there's a good chance Trump will have some input with anything from cancelling the project, moving parts of it to fossil fuel vehicles and rolling back Bidens EV incentive possible.

[wheelnut]

The trucks mentioned in the article are being made by Oshkosh. The US Postal Service was give $3bn in 2023 to modernise it's vehicle fleet, Oshkosh was one of several contractors involved, with their role being to design and build a new truck for delivery in 2025. From the five minutes I spent researching I think the 93 vehicles delivered so far are pre production test trucks. So far the project looks on track however, there's a good chance Trump will have some input with anything from cancelling the project, moving parts of it to fossil fuel vehicles and rolling back Bidens EV incentive possible.

Should have had them built in China.

[Count Steer]

The trucks mentioned in the article are being made by Oshkosh. The US Postal Service was give $3bn in 2023 to modernise it's vehicle fleet, Oshkosh was one of several contractors involved, with their role being to design and build a new truck for delivery in 2025. From the five minutes I spent researching I think the 93 vehicles delivered so far are pre production test trucks. So far the project looks on track however, there's a good chance Trump will have some input with anything from cancelling the project, moving parts of it to fossil fuel vehicles and rolling back Bidens EV incentive possible.

Or handing the project/$ billions over to President Musk/Tesla.

[Saga Lout]

Interesting website, its worth looking on the Who We Are section..

Slightly late edit but I reckon even more interesting would be a Who Funds Us section.

Even even more interesting would be you telling us which parts of the article are wrong. (If you think it's wrong.)

The trucks mentioned in the article are being made by Oshkosh. The US Postal Service was give $3bn in 2023 to modernise it's vehicle fleet, Oshkosh was one of several contractors involved, with their role being to design and build a new truck for delivery in 2025. From the five minutes I spent researching I think the 93 vehicles delivered so far are pre production test trucks. So far the project looks on track however, there's a good chance Trump will have some input with anything from cancelling the project, moving parts of it to fossil fuel vehicles and rolling back Bidens EV incentive possible.

Yes, that's better. Attack the message, not the messenger.

[Pirahna]

The best selling car in Europe this year is the Dacia Sandero, last years winner, the Tesla Model Y is down in 6th place.

This is cars sold in the first 11 months of 2024 vs 2023 and the percentage difference against the same period 2023.

1 Dacia Sandero 247,210 217,169 +13.8%
2 Volkswagen Golf 199,546 166,255 +20%
3 Renault Clio 195,675 181,712 +7.7%
4 Volkswagen T-Roc 187,707 191,121 -1.8%
5 Peugeot 208 183,233 184,068 -0.5%
6 Tesla Model Y 181,781 230,071 -21%
7 Toyota Yaris Cross 179,322 163,433 +9.7%
8 Volkswagen Tiguan 178,696 160,138 +11.6%

https://uk.motor1.com/news/745568/europ ... 024-dacia/

[Taipan]

It's fairly apparent, that as the infrastructure builds, the demand for EVs is still dropping. I suspect its just cause and effect and it'll turn again as the coming figures may show? ? But I'm waiting fior the second hand figures to show, as 2nd hand EV residuals must be non existent, as around here, they are as as wanted as a fart in a spacesuit!

I still think for low mileage users like the wife and I, EVs make (a lot of) sense in usage costs, but we buy our cars outright and the residuals mean its financial suicide to buy an EV and that come from a Range Rover owner! So until things even out, I still wont be buying one!

[demographic]

It's fairly apparent, that as the infrastructure builds, the demand for EVs is still dropping.

Where are you getting your information as from what I see its going the other way.

This from that there Youtube where a bloke from the pubs mate from walkin the dog has some figures posted on the government website.
This shows UK sales and the trends shown as percentages. Petrol down, diesel well down then BEV and PHEV both up as well as.a rise in HEV.


Then this one shows last novembers sales compated the Nov 23 sales.
Petrol and Diesel well down, PHEV slightly down and BEV well up ith HEV down slightly.

I'll ratch out the actual vid for you to factcheck.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Diesel is a dirty word now! How quickly they've fallen out of favour.

[Count Steer]

Diesel is a dirty word now! How quickly they've fallen out of favour.

The drop in Tesla sales isn't too surprising either...for various reasons.

[demographic]

Diesel is a dirty word now! How quickly they've fallen out of favour.

At the moment Lecky isnt that handy for me, I do a fair amount of miles in a van loaded with tools, going all over the county and Southwest Scotland.
I'm not leaving tools on site cos that just invites theft and I live in a terraced house so wouldn't be able to charge at home.

However, it's moving in the right direction and a lot of people are in a vastly different situation. Most people drive an almost empty car comparatively short distances to the same place of work every day and that's more like my wifes usage.
I'm seeing more electric vans on the road even round Cumbria with is a big county, the supposedly lower resale value for them is a definite plus as far as I'm concerned as I've never bought a brand new vehicle in my life. Low priced lecky vans seems like a great idea to me.

One thing I've seen a bit of on that Youtube is about electric lorrys in Europe and the bloke Ive seen really rates the power up hills and general driving experience.
I'll ratch out some links to fire up.
Also attery electric trains for some routes that are only partly electrified and would normally have to either change 'engines' or just run on diesel.
They can charge off the overhead lines where possible and then go to battery when there's no overhead lines. Weight of batteries not being a huge issue to a train.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Battery electric trains are already in testing use, or just about to start it in the UK as far as I know.

My local postie drives an electric van. For applications where you know the route and timing they make perfect sense.

[demographic]

Battery electric trains are already in testing use, or just about to start it in the UK as far as I know.

My local postie drives an electric van. For applications where you know the route and timing they make perfect sense.

There's qite a few electric vans and cars being used by the local council and a housing partership. Typical usage being based at a depot overnight and not huge distances covered each day.
Also I've seena few electric Amazon vans and I assume that the buses round the town would be an obvious candidate as the main power for the town comes in from near the bus station (there's used to be a powerstation down there but after being unused it was demolished when I was a teenager) so there's still a.lot of infrastructure down there.
Time to charge up at night on off peak electricity, massive roof over the building could likely produce a fair bit of solar power and a shipping container battery setup hold some as well.
As stationary batteries don't even need to be lightweight they can use different chemistry if needed so they don't appear on ZRX's newsfeed due to fires. Win win.

[v8-powered]

Battery electric trains are already in testing use, or just about to start it in the UK as far as I know.
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I was involved in testing a battery train 10 years ago - quite a few fleets now employing that tech.

[Cousin Jack]

It's fairly apparent, that as the infrastructure builds, the demand for EVs is still dropping. I suspect its just cause and effect and it'll turn again as the coming figures may show? ? But I'm waiting fior the second hand figures to show, as 2nd hand EV residuals must be non existent, as around here, they are as as wanted as a fart in a spacesuit!

I still think for low mileage users like the wife and I, EVs make (a lot of) sense in usage costs, but we buy our cars outright and the residuals mean its financial suicide to buy an EV and that come from a Range Rover owner! So until things even out, I still wont be buying one!

Similar here, the wife's low mileage and short journeys makes it viable, but we also have no prospect of home charging, so the significant higher running costs from public chargers is also a big barrier.

[wheelnut]

Electric car ownership - Day 1

Picked the car up from the dealership yesterday afternoon.

We went to a Paul Heaton concert in Bridlington last night so that was the first run out. Brid is about 100 miles from us. Set off from home with 90% charge.

Got snarled up in Friday afternoon traffic and arrived at Brid with about 65% battery left. Nipped in to Lidl where there was a 50kw charger. Popped in for a few bits from the bakery for this morning. When we came out it had hit it back to 81% in 20 mins (£12).

After the concert drove home a lot quicker and had some fun on country roads. For a 2.5 ton car it handles really well. Shed the speed before the corner and drive it through seems to be the way. The AWD pulls it round nicely. Acceleration for overtaking and firing you out of roundabouts is addictive.

Got home with 40%. So far so good.

About a month and 900 miles in. All good. Did 200 miles around Northumberland Fri/sat with no real range anxiety. Arrived back home with 20%. Haven’t done any longer trips where I need to recharge as yet.

Not a fan of the haptic buttons which are clunky to use. Headlight controls are awkward and out of sight. In general the steering controls and stalks are overly complex and try to do too much. The main centre tft display, by comparison is easy to use and well designed,

[Mr. Dazzle]

I recently had a hire car with physical buttons. The model was almost exactly the direct equivalent to my own car, from another OEM. Same market segment.

I actually found it quite weird and clunky having clicky clicky buttons on the steering wheel having become so accustomed to haptic in my own car!

[wheelnut]

I recently had a hire car with physical buttons. The model was almost exactly the direct equivalent to my own car, from another OEM. Same market segment.

I actually found it quite weird and clunky having clicky clicky buttons on the steering wheel having become so accustomed to haptic in my own car!

Yep, maybe it’s just a familiarity thing and I’ll get used to them with time.

[Horse]

... physical buttons. ... clicky clicky buttons on the steering wheel having become so accustomed to haptic in my own car!

Error ... 'haptic' means clicky feedback, doesn't it?