Dope...

[Buckaroo]

In the UK you can get fired from your job for testing positive for having used the stuff in the last few days. Markers hang around in the body for much longer than just when the person is under the influence.

Yes, we used to do random testing and for cause, if there was an accident of some description. The union guys were all for it and the company spent a fortune on training programs and test equipment. We were making compounds that in their intermediate stages would wipe out a small town. We also had some staff thank us for setting it up as it helped them with their kids, as in scaring the shit out of them (pardon the pun) .

[Skub]

I quite like the smell of weed...from a distance. I'm not a user,because I don't smoke,plus I see clearly the impact heavy use has on the lives of local folk. They are universally demotivated to do anything except spark up a J. Their whole existence is a subdued and weary meh.

I can't say I've noticed the smell more than ever I did.

[David]

I have been using (lightly) since I was 18....I am now 75. Tried acid and little bits of speed so no creep into hard stuff. I have never smoked, so it goes into cakes. Not a very strong effect, but calming.
However, I have noticed a massive increase of smelling it on the street.Surprising how mnay people turn up on the Marine Parade stinking of it, having driven in from the midlands or wherever.

[Mr Moofo]

The whole south coast smells of skunk - all day , every day
And fox piss, for some reason !

The thing of most concern is the smell of skunk coning out of cars in any traffic queue, the A27 and the M23

[Supermofo]

Yup often smell it when filtering, walking passed traffic.

Used to smoke weed a bit till my mid 20s, nothing major but I'm not anti weed, however it blows my mind people think it's OK to commute to work at 7am with some skunk on the go.

[asmethurst99]

Moved from Zone 2 to Zone 3 - lots less weed smell.
I work in Hackney - often cars smell of weed.
At some point it will be decriminalised ( i don't care either way) but I wonder about people driving whilst under the influence.
It was all fields here in my day ....

[Noggin]

I quite like the smell of weed...from a distance. I'm not a user,because I don't smoke,plus I see clearly the impact heavy use has on the lives of local folk. They are universally demotivated to do anything except spark up a J. Their whole existence is a subdued and weary meh.

I can't say I've noticed the smell more than ever I did.

I'm a bit of a weirdo (in so many ways but this as well) - I can't smell it! Was a bit of a disadvantage back when I ran pubs!! But to me it smells of the old Marlboro cigarettes. If I ever smelt Marlboro int he pubs I used to have ask someone else to do a walk round and check the smell for me!! LOL

I know LOADS of people use it up in resort - I have to avoid smokers because I don't know for sure what they are smoking, and I can lose my job/licence/lots of money if I've been in a group using it and then get tested in the work vehicle.
Ok, probably unlikely, but because I know so very little about it, I'm not risking it!! LOL

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

In the UK you can get fired from your job for testing positive for having used the stuff in the last few days. Markers hang around in the body for much longer than just when the person is under the influence.

Yes, we used to do random testing and for cause, if there was an accident of some description. The union guys were all for it and the company spent a fortune on training programs and test equipment. We were making compounds that in their intermediate stages would wipe out a small town. We also had some staff thank us for setting it up as it helped them with their kids, as in scaring the shit out of them (pardon the pun) .

We do random testing and have sacked people for testing positive, everyone gets tested, regardless of role, not just those driving cranes, trains, forks and lorrys, everyone gets sacked if they test positive - it's the same rule for everyone. I suspect work also reports them to the police, it's the sort of thing the company I work for would do.

[mangocrazy]

In the UK you can get fired from your job for testing positive for having used the stuff in the last few days. Markers hang around in the body for much longer than just when the person is under the influence.

Yes, we used to do random testing and for cause, if there was an accident of some description. The union guys were all for it and the company spent a fortune on training programs and test equipment. We were making compounds that in their intermediate stages would wipe out a small town. We also had some staff thank us for setting it up as it helped them with their kids, as in scaring the shit out of them (pardon the pun) .

We do random testing and have sacked people for testing positive, everyone gets tested, regardless of role, not just those driving cranes, trains, forks and lorrys, everyone gets sacked if they test positive - it's the same rule for everyone. I suspect work also reports them to the police, it's the sort of thing the company I work for would do.

You work for a pretty mediaeval company, is all I'd say. Performance reviews take care of an individual's in-work performance relative to their peers and if someone was turning up to work the worse for wear or stoned/high then obviously they're out the door and their feet don't touch the ground. But smoking weed/dope/ganja/cannabis/herb in a recreational setting where it absolutely doesn't impinge on their in-work performance is an individual choice and should not be subject to the kind of heavy-handed attitudes your employers so proudly display.

A high-functioning alcoholic can work undetected for years/decades as long as they don't turn up to work shitfaced. Somebody having an innocent toke round a mate's house can have their career derailed for one momentary indiscretion, and their in-work performance won't have suffered one iota.

Alcohol is the management's drug of choiice and so its use is legitimised. It also gets flushed comparatively quickly from the body, so doesn't show up in next day testing. Marijuana hangs around for ages and so is a convenient target for companies wishing to show they are on top of this evil drug 'problem'.

[Buckaroo]

Yes, we used to do random testing and for cause, if there was an accident of some description. The union guys were all for it and the company spent a fortune on training programs and test equipment. We were making compounds that in their intermediate stages would wipe out a small town. We also had some staff thank us for setting it up as it helped them with their kids, as in scaring the shit out of them (pardon the pun) .

We do random testing and have sacked people for testing positive, everyone gets tested, regardless of role, not just those driving cranes, trains, forks and lorrys, everyone gets sacked if they test positive - it's the same rule for everyone. I suspect work also reports them to the police, it's the sort of thing the company I work for would do.

You work for a pretty mediaeval company, is all I'd say. Performance reviews take care of an individual's in-work performance relative to their peers and if someone was turning up to work the worse for wear or stoned/high then obviously they're out the door and their feet don't touch the ground. But smoking weed/dope/ganja/cannabis/herb in a recreational setting where it absolutely doesn't impinge on their in-work performance is an individual choice and should not be subject to the kind of heavy-handed attitudes your employers so proudly display.

A high-functioning alcoholic can work undetected for years/decades as long as they don't turn up to work shitfaced. Somebody having an innocent toke round a mate's house can have their career derailed for one momentary indiscretion, and their in-work performance won't have suffered one iota.

Alcohol is the management's drug of choiice and so its use is legitimised. It also gets flushed comparatively quickly from the body, so doesn't show up in next day testing. Marijuana hangs around for ages and so is a convenient target for companies wishing to show they are on top of this evil drug 'problem'.

Whilst I can agree with a lot of your comments about what people do in their spare time is their business, we were also a zero tolerance for alcohol company as well. In the many years after putting these policies in place, after both union and non union input, we fired two people: one drug related, the other was drink. Thankfully our teams knew what was at stake and it wasn't worth the risk to oneself or your mates.

However, the company, as a whole, also put a number of employee through a rehab program too.

They were a great company.

[mangocrazy]

Whilst I can agree with a lot of your comments about what people do in their spare time is their business, we were also a zero tolerance for alcohol company as well. In the many years after putting these policies in place, after both union and non union input, we fired two people: one drug related, the other was drink. Thankfully our teams knew what was at stake and it wasn't worth the risk to oneself or your mates.

However, the company, as a whole, also put a number of employee through a rehab program too.

They were a great company.

If alcohol is regarded as equal to other drugs on the 'harm' scale, that's a big move in the right direction. In terms of alcohol equivalence to other drugs I'd put it somewhere between marijuana and cocaine, but that's just a personal view and probably skewed. It's the demonisation of marijuana compared to alcohol that pisses me off. Don't get me wrong - I like alcohol - I have a cellar full of wine (mainly red) and drink wine way more often than I smoke any dope, but it concerns me that alcohol is the acceptable face of the drug problem.

Sounds like your company had the right idea. Good for them.

[Noggin]

Whilst I can agree with a lot of your comments about what people do in their spare time is their business, we were also a zero tolerance for alcohol company as well. In the many years after putting these policies in place, after both union and non union input, we fired two people: one drug related, the other was drink. Thankfully our teams knew what was at stake and it wasn't worth the risk to oneself or your mates.

However, the company, as a whole, also put a number of employee through a rehab program too.

They were a great company.

If alcohol is regarded as equal to other drugs on the 'harm' scale, that's a big move in the right direction. In terms of alcohol equivalence to other drugs I'd put it somewhere between marijuana and cocaine, but that's just a personal view and probably skewed. It's the demonisation of marijuana compared to alcohol that pisses me off. Don't get me wrong - I like alcohol - I have a cellar full of wine (mainly red) and drink wine way more often than I smoke any dope, but it concerns me that alcohol is the acceptable face of the drug problem.

Sounds like your company had the right idea. Good for them.

I have nothing against people using marijuana/dope/other drugs. TBH, I felt safer at a party where EVERYONE was stoned than at any subsequent party/bar etc where almost everyone is drunk. In general I still feel safer around people that are smoking/stoned than drunks.

However, I suspect part of my unwillingness to try anything is due to a friend of the family who at around 16 (similar age to me at the time) was sectioned due to paranoia and other stuff brought on by smoking something that was supposed to be marijuana. It was spoken about in hushed tones so that we didn't hear too much, but I heard enough. He never did live a 'normal' life and has apparently been in and out of psych places for around 30 years I don't think that is the norm, but I've seen enough changes in people that use a lot to be uninterested - and I don't smoke!! Not all of the people I know that used a lot changed, but enough.

People that say that dope is a 'gateway' drug often get shouted down - but I lived in Wells in Somerset, just down the road from Glastonbury, back when Glastonbury was hippie/druggie central. You can imagine that I do agree very strongly that it can be a gateway drug - not necessarily as a plan, but you are mixing with people that do more than dope, so you get 'encouraged'. (Probably less so as adults, but teenagers/young adults for sure)

Having worked in pubs/bars/clubs etc since I was 16 I don't exactly look at alcohol as an innocent pastime either!! It's 100% a drug and causes massive harm - but again, not to everyone and so it continues to be acceptable. And while people feel the 'need' for something to relax them or give them confidence when they are out, then I don't think controls will be accepted.


The thing about doing it in your spare time is ok BUT - what are the after effects and how long do they last? I'm pretty aware of the after effects of alcohol and they do last quite a long time, one of the main reasons I rarely drink as I can't be less that 100% sober for work or the two sports I love.

I don't know if dope stays in the brain after you feel 'sober' again. And given that there was nothing to say that on all the stuff I had to read for my course, I would guess there isn't a hard and fast understanding yet. In which case, yes, do what you want in you own time, but if the residual effects might affect your work/safety of others, then no!

And we all know people who think they are totally safe to drive on a major hangover, so is it safe to let the person who got stoned last night decide if they are safe to drive/make decisions/manage machinery etc?


Mind you, I'm saying all this from a place of someone that happily gets up and dances on tables in a seasonaire bar when stone cold sober!! TBF, I wouldn't do that drunk cos I'd be more likely to fall off!! But I can dance on an empty dance floor on my own sober too. So I'm a weirdo and really don't have a great understanding of drugs and alcohol and the 'need' to use them to make you relax/party/fun/chill etc. And what I've seen hasn't exactly made me want to find out more!

[Mr. Dazzle]

Everyone I know who was a proper stoner when a teenager is either a bit fucked up now, or was fucked up until quite recently but has had a long unfucking journey.

I honestly couldn't tell you the chicken/egg there though.

I agree with Noggers on Gateways. It might not be a gateway in and of itself, but it pushes you into circles of, quite literally, drug dealers and addicts. Kinda has to really! To me though that's one argument for decriminalisation.

[Horse]

Lots of folk here grow there own. It's legal to have 3 plants. But you can't technically move the dope from your house.
There's also many legal dens to go buy and smoke it.

How big can those three plants grow? And how wide do the doors open?

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[DefTrap]

Personally, I find booze, fags and weed equally addictive. You have to want to break the addiction. Fags and weed are less socially acceptable, so there's some motivation to pack those in or at least do it in moderation.

But of folk in my peer group thatve died before their time, booze has been the biggest factor. I tend to think drugs are a bit of whipping boy for the booze crowd.

[mangocrazy]

Personally, I find booze, fags and weed equally addictive. You have to want to break the addiction. Fags and weed are less socially acceptable, so there's some motivation to pack those in or at least do it in moderation.

But of folk in my peer group thatve died before their time, booze has been the biggest factor. I tend to think drugs are a bit of whipping boy for the booze crowd.

Absolutely. Booze is socially acceptable and drugs are a convenient way to deflect attention from the problems that alcohol causes. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard of women being scared shitless when their husband/partner comes back from the boozer in a bad mood and takes it out on them with their fists. The idea that anyone would wreak the same level of harm after getting shitfaced on dope is absolutely laughable.

[Noggin]

Personally, I find booze, fags and weed equally addictive. You have to want to break the addiction. Fags and weed are less socially acceptable, so there's some motivation to pack those in or at least do it in moderation.

But of folk in my peer group thatve died before their time, booze has been the biggest factor. I tend to think drugs are a bit of whipping boy for the booze crowd.

Absolutely. Booze is socially acceptable and drugs are a convenient way to deflect attention from the problems that alcohol causes. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard of women being scared shitless when their husband/partner comes back from the boozer in a bad mood and takes it out on them with their fists. The idea that anyone would wreak the same level of harm after getting shitfaced on dope is absolutely laughable.

Alcohol is the only drug that you get some serious stick for. It taking!!

Want a beer/rum?
No ta. Lemonade please
WTF? C’mon, have a proper drink
I don’t want one, happy with lemonade
FFS you’re a party pooper, c’mon, have areal drink



I’ve had people buy me alcoholic drinks anyway, so I’ve left them on the table and bought my own lemonade. But it’s a very weird thing to get shit from so called friend when you don’t want to join in taking their favorite drug

[mangocrazy]

Alcohol is the only drug that you get some serious stick for. It taking!!

Want a beer/rum?
No ta. Lemonade please
WTF? C’mon, have a proper drink
I don’t want one, happy with lemonade
FFS you’re a party pooper, c’mon, have areal drink



I’ve had people buy me alcoholic drinks anyway, so I’ve left them on the table and bought my own lemonade. But it’s a very weird thing to get shit from so called friend when you don’t want to join in taking their favorite drug

Some years back I was on a stag night aand the groom (for some reason) wanted to get me pissed. I'm a red wine drinker so he bought me a glass of red, but with a triple vodka thrown in. I took one look at it, and it looked like turpentine (and smelled similarly). I just left it on the bar and walked away. It turned out that he was a proper arsehole, cheating on his bride to be and couldn't be trusted.

Not sure what the moral of this little tale is, but people who try and force drink on you should be avoided like the plague (or give them a swift kick in the nuts if you're a gurl...)

[DefTrap]

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Alcohol is the only drug that you get some serious stick for. It taking!!

Want a beer/rum?
No ta. Lemonade please
WTF? C’mon, have a proper drink
I don’t want one, happy with lemonade
FFS you’re a party pooper, c’mon, have areal drink

Yeah I totally get that. My missus became virtually teetotal a few years back (for unrelated health reasons) and it does make some social situations awkward because in so many of them booze plays a big part. Boozy situations can get boring reasonably quickly if you're on the fizzy pop. And yes, she is made to feel like a party pooper sometimes, even if unintentionally.

[Mr. Dazzle]

That certainly seems like an age / generational thing cause it doesn't really happen to me...maybe a raised eyebrow but certainly no pressure. The kids at work don't drink at all