Interesting little facts...

[Cousin Jack]

And the few fast sweepers tend to have stone walls instead of run-off areas. Just to concentrate the mind.

[KungFooBob]

Back to the 'facts'...

Gerhard Barkhorn was the 2nd highest 'scoring' ace of WW2, with 301 Allied aircraft shot down.

In 1955, Gerhard Barkhorn was asked to join the new West German Air Force, the Bundesluftwaffe. He was sworn in as a major on June 19, 1956. Interestingly, his role required he work closely with the air forces he’d fought against during WWII. He was trained on jet aircraft by members of the RAF, and also headed the group of German pilots who were part of the Tripartite Kestrel Evaluation Squadron in the United Kingdom.

While flying a Hawker Siddeley Kestrel (the precursor of the Harrier) on October 13, 1965, Barkhorn crash-landed at RAF West Raynham. He was rescued from the jet and jokingly claimed it as the 302nd Allied aircraft he’d taken out.

[ZRX61]

Now get a statistician to work out how many that is per km raced - and do the same over the track circuit series. It's still high yes, but it's an incredible course with matching risks. And, TBF, that's only a little over one a year (and the Manx has more novices, so it's more likely there will be crashes) - very sad, but a risk everyone knows and is willing to take

Proper tracks have a series of actual bends, IoM is mostly very fast sweepers where the guys are flat out.

Seriously? Have you ever ridden the course? Not being funny, but the only flat out is through relatively straight bits in villages and a bit of the mountain. The rest is corners of varying severity, including a handful of hairpins/90 degree turns. Even the almost flat out series of bends has some seriously interesting bits to deal with either end, so rarely flat out for long!!! Honestly, how you can possibly think it's "Mostly very fast sweepers" is incredible!!

Having difficulty with *mostly*?.. there are more flat out bits than nadgery.

[Count Steer]

It's not so much an interesting fact as an interesting way of seeing the difference in something.People lob the term £billions around like they're just a tad more than a million.

1 million seconds is about 13 days
1 billion seconds is about 32 years

(That's American billions not proper old fashioned ones ).

[ZRX61]

Davie Todd got his elbow down at the Bungalow. No not really a straight

Ya can drag your elbow on Cornish lanes while upright on the straightish bits...

[Dodgy69]

Now get a statistician to work out how many that is per km raced - and do the same over the track circuit series. It's still high yes, but it's an incredible course with matching risks. And, TBF, that's only a little over one a year (and the Manx has more novices, so it's more likely there will be crashes) - very sad, but a risk everyone knows and is willing to take

Proper tracks have a series are actual bends, IoM is mostly very fast sweepers where the guys are flat out.

I'd dispute that. Yes, there are a lot of very high speed sections - there has to be otherwise the lap speeds wouldn't be north of 130mph. But there are a lot of slow and medium speed corners, as there would be on any public road.

I ain't seen many SLOW bit's.

[Cousin Jack]

Davie Todd got his elbow down at the Bungalow. No not really a straight

Ya can drag your elbow on Cornish lanes while upright on the straightish bits...

Pah! That's the M1 of Cornish lanes. It only has a few wisps of grass.

[mangocrazy]

Proper tracks have a series are actual bends, IoM is mostly very fast sweepers where the guys are flat out.

I'd dispute that. Yes, there are a lot of very high speed sections - there has to be otherwise the lap speeds wouldn't be north of 130mph. But there are a lot of slow and medium speed corners, as there would be on any public road.

I ain't seen many SLOW bit's.

Quarter Bridge, Braddan Bridge, Union Mills, Ballacraine, Ballaugh, Sulby Bridge, Ginger Hall, Parliament Square, Ramsey Hairpin, Waterworks, Gooseneck, Creg ny Baa, Signpost, Bedstead, The Nook, Governer's Bridge, Governer's Dip.

That enough?

[ZRX61]

Quarter Bridge, Braddan Bridge, Union Mills, Ballacraine, Ballaugh, Sulby Bridge, Ginger Hall, Parliament Square, Ramsey Hairpin, Waterworks, Gooseneck, Creg ny Baa, Signpost, Bedstead, The Nook, Governer's Bridge, Governer's Dip.

That enough?

So what's the total mileage if you add all those bits together? Some of them are not even 100 yards.

[mangocrazy]

Quarter Bridge, Braddan Bridge, Union Mills, Ballacraine, Ballaugh, Sulby Bridge, Ginger Hall, Parliament Square, Ramsey Hairpin, Waterworks, Gooseneck, Creg ny Baa, Signpost, Bedstead, The Nook, Governer's Bridge, Governer's Dip.

That enough?

So what's the total mileage if you add all those bits together? Some of them are not even 100 yards.

Not really catching your drift, old bean. I was simply replying to Dodgy69's remark. I'm not trying to make out that the TT is all slow wiggly stuff because it demonstrably isn't. But there are slow corners interspersed with medium and fast corners. And straights. Lots of them. Which is why the lap record is well over 130mph.

[ZRX61]

Not really catching your drift, old bean. I was simply replying to Dodgy69's remark. I'm not trying to make out that the TT is all slow wiggly stuff because it demonstrably isn't. But there are slow corners interspersed with medium and fast corners. And straights. Lots of them. Which is why the lap record is well over 130mph.

I was just asking what all those bits added together were, that's all.

[Noggin]

Proper tracks have a series of actual bends, IoM is mostly very fast sweepers where the guys are flat out.

Seriously? Have you ever ridden the course? Not being funny, but the only flat out is through relatively straight bits in villages and a bit of the mountain. The rest is corners of varying severity, including a handful of hairpins/90 degree turns. Even the almost flat out series of bends has some seriously interesting bits to deal with either end, so rarely flat out for long!!! Honestly, how you can possibly think it's "Mostly very fast sweepers" is incredible!!

Having difficulty with *mostly*?.. there are more flat out bits than nadgery.

Having difficulty with *have you ever ridden the course*? . . .

[Yorick]

Just had Google. McGuiness had the throttle wide open for 30% of the lap.
So that's 70% braking or going round bends.

[Taipan]

Just had Google. McGuiness had the throttle wide open for 30% of the lap.
So that's 70% braking or going round bends.

To an experienced rider like me, it sounds like he bottled it tbh...

[Noggin]

Just had Google. McGuiness had the throttle wide open for 30% of the lap.
So that's 70% braking or going round bends.

I've only ever ridden the course at legal speeds (ok, the mountain and in between the villages didn't have a limit but I was on a blackbird and not very experienced!) and there is no way on this earth that there are loads of fast sweepers on that course. There are twisty (to us) sections that they make as straight as possible and ride faster than we could imagine! (Of course, it helps that they don't have to stick to one side of the white line )

The difference is that these guys are missing a bit of brain connexion and do the turns close to flat out where normal people can't!! It's blooming awesome to ride the course as a 'normal' (relatively) person and then watch the freaking amazing loons go out and be heroes

Just had Google. McGuiness had the throttle wide open for 30% of the lap.
So that's 70% braking or going round bends.

To an experienced rider like me, it sounds like he bottled it tbh...

[Yorick]

Just had Google. McGuiness had the throttle wide open for 30% of the lap.
So that's 70% braking or going round bends.

To an experienced rider like me, it sounds like he bottled it tbh...

Not like you to be funny

[Taipan]

Just had Google. McGuiness had the throttle wide open for 30% of the lap.
So that's 70% braking or going round bends.

To an experienced rider like me, it sounds like he bottled it tbh...

Not like you to be funny

Pah! I'd challenge you to a game of wit, but I see you're unarmed...

[Yorick]

To an experienced rider like me, it sounds like he bottled it tbh...

Not like you to be funny

Pah! I'd challenge you to a game of wit, but I see you're unarmed...

Good looks are a curse. You were lucky.

[Horse]

Just had Google. McGuiness had the throttle wide open for 30% of the lap.
So that's 70% braking or going round bends.

To an experienced rider like me, it sounds like he bottled it tbh...

Taipan Racing Academy now open

[Yorick]

Just had Google. McGuiness had the throttle wide open for 30% of the lap.
So that's 70% braking or going round bends.

To an experienced rider like me, it sounds like he bottled it tbh...

Taipan Racing Academy now open

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