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"cough" :)
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weeksy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:31 pm I made it more purple.

Dodgy Knees first clothing/mug was shipped today.

He's the first but I'm hoping not the last.

Don't forget all, this forum costs money, use it, or lose it.

Did you chuck in a few T bags. πŸ₯³πŸ‘
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G.P wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:41 pm"cough" :)
I meant first for the higher subscription. I was going to host your awesome pic if jersey but wasn't my place to put pics up without permission.
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Dodgy knees wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:46 pm
weeksy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:31 pm I made it more purple.

Dodgy Knees first clothing/mug was shipped today.

He's the first but I'm hoping not the last.

Don't forget all, this forum costs money, use it, or lose it.

Did you chuck in a few T bags. πŸ₯³πŸ‘
The clothing/Merch comes directly from the supplier/manufacturer sorry :)
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Been quiet on subscriptions.

For the people who post regularly and are not subscribers, can you maybe pm me as to why and what we could do to entice you? Is the forum not providing something in particular?
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weeksy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:03 pm Been quiet on subscriptions.

For the people who post regularly and are not subscribers, can you maybe pm me as to why and what we could do to entice you? Is the forum not providing something in particular?
maybe not then :D
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weeksy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:29 pm
weeksy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:03 pm Been quiet on subscriptions.

For the people who post regularly and are not subscribers, can you maybe pm me as to why and what we could do to entice you? Is the forum not providing something in particular?
maybe not then :D
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As of today, non subscribers won't be able to modify their signatures or their avatar. I'm not sure yet if it will remove them if they're set, but new users certainly won't be able to set an avatar or signature unless they subscribe.

May be a touch harsh, but I see them as 'benefits' rather than essentials
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weeksy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:29 pm
weeksy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:03 pm Been quiet on subscriptions.

For the people who post regularly and are not subscribers, can you maybe pm me as to why and what we could do to entice you? Is the forum not providing something in particular?
maybe not then :D
It's easy to miss stuff in this section. A sticky heading all the forums would get more opinions!
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Skub wrote: ↑Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:44 pm
weeksy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:29 pm
weeksy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:03 pm Been quiet on subscriptions.

For the people who post regularly and are not subscribers, can you maybe pm me as to why and what we could do to entice you? Is the forum not providing something in particular?
maybe not then :D
It's easy to miss stuff in this section. A sticky heading all the forums would get more opinions!
Nah, not going to beg.

I've had PMs tonight offering financial help and refused as they're already subscribed. The forum is doing ok financially and in a context of content it's exceeded my expectations massively.

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I don't think there is enough visibility on how to subscribe, a few have mentioned that they didn't know how to and as soon as it was pointed out they did it straightaway. I'd happily do the extra thing where you get a mug or whatever, it's a good idea, but posting it to me would be uneconomical.

I also think that when you consider what you get here (bike chat, bicycle chat, bike advice, tools, tool advice, how-to's, what makes you happy/sad, general discussion, health advice, a place to get support, etc) then the subscription is a bargain, you could add a fiver and I don't think it would put anyone off.

I don't want to provoke anything so I'm choosing my words carefully, but if the forum needs money to work and some regular users won't subscribe, whilst others are putting extra in to pay for it....well it just doesn't seem right does it.

So maybe implement a 'try it and see' policy, where you get 3 months to use the forum without a subscription, then it's read only. That way no one is bullied into subscribing, they can read the forum and get information from it, but if they want to contribute after the 3 months then they can subscribe.

Or even 3 months trial then its locked completely unless you subscribe. Or after 3 months just selected sections like the General section, the Shed section and any advice sections are locked. I think there is a lot of value here and after three months anyone that is actually keen will join.

Or you could have a subscribers only section, not so we can all go mental and insult each other, I'd still keep the politics out, but just a section for subscribers to post. That might encourage people to subscribe.

I don't think you need to worry about being out of pocket, if financial support is needed then you know you'll get more offers of help than you probably need. The only thing I'd say on it is you have to not be shy in asking, or letting people know if there is a shortage to meet the bills, because whilst many will be very willing to help, they probably won't just keep dropping money into the donation pot if they don't know if it's needed or not, if that makes sense.

Just my 2p worth.
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Not sure i'll go as drastic as the 3 months trial. But i've changed the initial donations post to a Sticky/Announcement now so it's at the top all the time.

Thanks for such a detailed input though it's very much appreciated.

Don't worry about the forum, it's doing fine. It's more a personal pride thing as much as anything that i think people should want to donate/subscribe etc.

That said, i don't subscribe to ALL forums i use, but i do subscribe to the majority. The FZ-09/XSR forum for example i don't... but i do feel it's lacking in information and content, so not bothered. I paid lifetime membership for 2 KTM forums though and of course subscribe to the cycling one i use lots.

I do feel forums can pay for themselves in terms of knowledge, information and even just for passing time. I'm not 100% sure WE are there yet, but we're doing well i think.
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Harry wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:22 am a few have mentioned that they didn't know how to and as soon as it was pointed out they did it straightaway.
:wave:

Yup, I was one of them.

[X] poor obs, whatever. It was a classic of I didn't know what I didn't know.
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weeksy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:45 am
Don't worry about the forum, it's doing fine. It's more a personal pride thing as much as anything that i think people should want to donate/subscribe etc.
Yeah fair enough, I just think that if someone has been part of the group, for years, and they know stuff like this costs money, but they won't throw Β£15 into the pot to help keep it running then eventually it just starts to be a liberty. If it's a temporary thing where someone is skint then no problem, but if you've been using a forum for years with a computer and broadband connection then you can afford Β£15.
Anyway, that's my last comment on it :lol:

Can you make the sticky for donations a particular colour?
My thinking is that if I see the donations pot is in the green, then I'm not going to throw anything in because I know the money isn't needed, but if I see it's in the red then I'll throw some money in to help get it back to green.

Another thing is (and I don't know the legality of this) a monthly lottery. You buy a ticket for a fiver (or whatever) and winner takes all (minus say 20% of the pot that stays in the pot to fund the site). These competition sites seem to be a very viable business and if you've got a forum with hundreds (or thousands) of subscribers then it could work - or even spring a competition business out of it with some decent advertising.

There are lots of ideas for goodwill funds, or a trackday fund where we chip in and pay for someone to do a trackday if they want to do one but they're a bit skint, etc. That will make the forum seem like more of a community.

I suppose it depends what you want the forum to be, just a forum, a community, or more of a bike club.
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Harry wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:27 pm

Can you make the sticky for donations a particular colour?

There are lots of ideas for goodwill funds, or a trackday fund where we chip in and pay for someone to do a trackday if they want to do one but they're a bit skint, etc. That will make the forum seem like more of a community.

I suppose it depends what you want the forum to be, just a forum, a community, or more of a bike club.
1. I cannot i'm afraid
2. Sounds great, i'd LOVE to get people interested. The last 'newbies' we had really enjoyed it and are both now coming to Portimao.
(i don't know if the trackday section seems a bit cliquey, it seems hard to get people interested who've not done them before)
3. Your guess is as good as mine... I just wanted to start a forum initially. But what i want from the future, i dunno.
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weeksy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:14 am
2. Sounds great, i'd LOVE to get people interested. The last 'newbies' we had really enjoyed it and are both now coming to Portimao.
(i don't know if the trackday section seems a bit cliquey, it seems hard to get people interested who've not done them before)
3. Your guess is as good as mine... I just wanted to start a forum initially. But what i want from the future, i dunno.
The YPM had/have club bikes that they loan out (or rent out, can't remember now).
I've always thought stuff like that is a good idea.

Sometimes it can become less than you'd hoped for though. I used to race motocross there was a bloke that had a bunch of bikes and he used to teach kids/youths how to ride them and maintain them, then as a treat he'd bring them to MX practice days. He was a cracking fella but I could see it was slowly wearing him down, he'd have stories of parents who would treat him like a baby sitter, treat him like a free service with no thanks whatsoever and he got very little respect from anyone for what he was doing.
If you've had a good run in life then it's nice being able to pay it forward, but I would imagine being a full time altruist would eventually break your spirit when you got repeatedly shat on.

However, having a club that had the capability to help people get into bikes and/or trackdays would be good, it's a lot of money if you just want to give it a try and I think it puts a lot off. Which was the intention of the YPM bikes I think, an easy way to let people try it.
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Harry wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:47 pmhe'd have stories of parents who would treat him like a baby sitter, treat him like a free service with no thanks whatsoever and he got very little respect from anyone for what he was doing.
If its free, you will get people who abuse it.

When we (a volunteer club) trained at the dealership, the agreement was that they lent us bikes (BMs) for our customers, we trained their customers for free.

One Wednesday I had a call to book a session. I asked whether he had paid a deposit? If he had, the training was free. "Oh, really? In that case, I'll go in a put down a deposit, if I don't enjoy the day the deposit is refundable. "

By that Saturday the booking form included the condition that if the deposit was returned then the course fee was payable.
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