Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Biden Accelerating His EV Fantasy By Forcing The Sale Of Unwanted Cars:
https://climatechangedispatch.com/biden ... nted-cars/
Ford made some 46,000 Mach-E electric SUVs in the first half of the year, around 32,000 of which hadn’t sold.
https://climatechangedispatch.com/biden ... nted-cars/
Ford made some 46,000 Mach-E electric SUVs in the first half of the year, around 32,000 of which hadn’t sold.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
I opened that to see if it was a complete load of nonsense, guess what, I was rightZRX61 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:37 pm Biden Accelerating His EV Fantasy By Forcing The Sale Of Unwanted Cars:
https://climatechangedispatch.com/biden ... nted-cars/
Ford made some 46,000 Mach-E electric SUVs in the first half of the year, around 32,000 of which hadn’t sold.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
I always enjoy arguments like this one...
10 million more tons of copper each year.
Anyone like to guess how many tonnes of oil and coal are mined every year? I'll give you a clue, it's got more than one zero more than that figure ^.
10 million more tons of copper each year.
Anyone like to guess how many tonnes of oil and coal are mined every year? I'll give you a clue, it's got more than one zero more than that figure ^.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Even after Piranha cited that website?
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
It was worse than a local newspaper website, side links, adverts "have you seen how XYZ looks now", etc etc... just random bollox with clickbait bullshit written to try and get people to read in horror. It's basically all that's shite about the internet in one quick website. There may or may not be a few bits in there that are actually true and useful, picking them out though, that's anyones guess.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
I was pondering this over breakfast and I was wondering how this mooted 10 million tonnes of copper compares just to US petrol consumption, leave alone total fossil fuel use.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:47 pm I always enjoy arguments like this one...
10 million more tons of copper each year.
Anyone like to guess how many tonnes of oil and coal are mined every year? I'll give you a clue, it's got more than one zero more than that figure ^.
For comparison like...the US alone consumes just over 1 million tonnes of petrol per day. That's just the US and just petrol in just one day. To make that million tonnes of petrol you would have to mine more a lot more than a million tonnes of crude oil. Funny how no-one calls digging oil up out of the ground "mining" though right?
Yet somehow the need to source 10 million tonnes of copper per year, which can also be recycled/reused unlike petrol, is a complete show stopper.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
In the USA alone something like 60% of all copper feedstock into the mills is recycled. 3rd most recycled metal after iron and aluminium. 8.7 million tonnes a year recycled globally pa. There's 200+ years worth of it in the ground.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 7:09 am Yet somehow the need to source 10 million tonnes of copper per year, which can also be recycled/reused unlike petrol, is a complete show stopper.
Comparing it to 'digging up' and burning oil is simply (Which is par for the course for the world's most unreadable web site. If you could run cars on bullshit it would power a G7 nation).
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Takes but a moment to scroll down & click the link to the original story:weeksy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:56 am It was worse than a local newspaper website, side links, adverts "have you seen how XYZ looks now", etc etc... just random bollox with clickbait bullshit written to try and get people to read in horror. It's basically all that's shite about the internet in one quick website. There may or may not be a few bits in there that are actually true and useful, picking them out though, that's anyones guess.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... c-car-fad/
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That's an even worse website... no wonder i don't look at the news. Are people really OK with sites like this ?ZRX61 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:51 pmTakes but a moment to scroll down & click the link to the original story:weeksy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:56 am It was worse than a local newspaper website, side links, adverts "have you seen how XYZ looks now", etc etc... just random bollox with clickbait bullshit written to try and get people to read in horror. It's basically all that's shite about the internet in one quick website. There may or may not be a few bits in there that are actually true and useful, picking them out though, that's anyones guess.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... c-car-fad/
Imagine the income i could generate if i turn this place into an advert fest
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The Washington Times (subtly named but not the Washington Post). Founded by Sun Myung Moon of the Unification Church, currently owned by a financial arm of the Unification Church is, and always has been, a right wing political mouthpiece. Don't expect to find deep thought pieces or a lot of verifiable facts between all those adverts. It's just another agenda driven, mind-melting, alternative facts echo chamber like the climatethingy links.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
US electric bus manufacturer Protera just went tits up. I guess Biden praising them didn't help matters.
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Or fit IC engines designed and built in the 21st century, jesus, I got 60mpg today without trying in an 11 year old dieselThe National Highway Safety Administration’s July 28 proposal would raise the mandatory average fuel economy target for automakers to an improbable 58 miles per gallon, essentially forcing Ford, Toyota and Kia to sell more electric cars,
Edit: and it's only a proposal and they'd have until 2032 to implement it.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Old news over here in the modern world anyway, manufactuers have fleet wide CO2 emission limits for ages.
Unless you're VW or similar of course
Unless you're VW or similar of course
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If that's 58 US mpg then it's 70 Imperial mpg.MrLongbeard wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:26 pmOr fit IC engines designed and built in the 21st century, jesus, I got 60mpg today without trying in an 11 year old dieselThe National Highway Safety Administration’s July 28 proposal would raise the mandatory average fuel economy target for automakers to an improbable 58 miles per gallon, essentially forcing Ford, Toyota and Kia to sell more electric cars,
Edit: and it's only a proposal and they'd have until 2032 to implement it.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
I get an average of 70mpg, ~500 miles from a ~£35 tankful from t'hybrid.
(<35mpg, from the t'not hybrid )
70mpg from everything seems a bit of a stretch target though.
(<35mpg, from the t'not hybrid )
70mpg from everything seems a bit of a stretch target though.
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Apparently my dad's chipped TDI Focus can get 70mpg (UK)
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Bit of reading on how it works in Europe, the targets are comparable to those being proposed in the US.
https://theicct.org/publication/eu-co2- ... ans-may23/
Gotta love a "flexible compliance mechanism" though
https://theicct.org/publication/eu-co2- ... ans-may23/
Gotta love a "flexible compliance mechanism" though
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I'm aware, so more than achievable in a car of today let alone giving them the best part of a decade to innovate, sheesh can put a man on the moon put can't build an efficient ICEPirahna wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:45 pmIf that's 58 US mpg then it's 70 Imperial mpg.MrLongbeard wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:26 pmOr fit IC engines designed and built in the 21st century, jesus, I got 60mpg today without trying in an 11 year old dieselThe National Highway Safety Administration’s July 28 proposal would raise the mandatory average fuel economy target for automakers to an improbable 58 miles per gallon, essentially forcing Ford, Toyota and Kia to sell more electric cars,
Edit: and it's only a proposal and they'd have until 2032 to implement it.
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Depends on the drive I suppose. If I go to collect someone from my local airport it's a 40 minute drive, the T6 Kombi will do 60mpg on the way there. Uphill on the way back it's high 20's.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Drove a Leaf today - has automatic braking collision avoidance v weird
Prefer the BMW
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