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Re: VFR1200F DCT
Wouldn't a more pertinent question be "Why didn't you buy an auto?" if a manual and a DCT version were available of a bike you wanted - you'd have to be very strange to buy a manual car when there's a flappy paddle version of it.
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Re: VFR1200F DCT
Pretty impressed with my flappy paddle car. If DCT bikes are anything like (it does stuff like automatically dropping gears on downhill bits for engine braking) I'd be a too.Le_Fromage_Grande wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:20 pm Wouldn't a more pertinent question be "Why didn't you buy an auto?" if a manual and a DCT version were available of a bike you wanted - you'd have to be very strange to buy a manual car when there's a flappy paddle version of it.
(I get a bit now in an auto without paddles - which mainly get used for dropping down the gears when you go down one hill, then up another because sometimes it's a bit slow to do it and feels a bit laboured, otherwise it's quite smart).
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Re: VFR1200F DCT
I do prefer an auto in a car, especially a half modern one.
Mine dis-engages the drive if you throttle off over 40mph (when in Eco mode), it coasts forever and does wonders for the MPG.
But my car is a tool, I'm not sure I want to remove part of the riding experience on the bike I use as a toy. May I should get a ride on a dct bike and have my perception changed.
Mine dis-engages the drive if you throttle off over 40mph (when in Eco mode), it coasts forever and does wonders for the MPG.
But my car is a tool, I'm not sure I want to remove part of the riding experience on the bike I use as a toy. May I should get a ride on a dct bike and have my perception changed.
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Re: VFR1200F DCT
I thought that till I tried the latest one and bought it, I’ve still got a gear lever if neededKungFooBob wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:48 pm I do prefer an auto in a car, especially a half modern one.
Mine dis-engages the drive if you throttle off over 40mph (when in Eco mode), it coasts forever and does wonders for the MPG.
But my car is a tool, I'm not sure I want to remove part of the riding experience on the bike I use as a toy. May I should get a ride on a dct bike and have my perception changed.
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Re: VFR1200F DCT
My current car is my first auto. I wouldn't go back to manual for my day-to-day, given the choice.
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Re: VFR1200F DCT
I drove a car with DSG at the weekend. It provides engine braking.KungFooBob wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:48 pm I do prefer an auto in a car, especially a half modern one.
Mine dis-engages the drive if you throttle off over 40mph (when in Eco mode), it coasts forever and does wonders for the MPG.
If selected appropriate gears, every time, and changes were swift and smooth. I can't think of a good reason to do it manually.
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Re: VFR1200F DCT
My car selects gears (or indeed lack of, it sometimes turns the engine off), in part, based on the sat nav and also cameras reading the road ahead.
It really is bloody clever! Not so good if you're out driving for the sake of driving though
It's a slush box epicyclic, but that's not really relevant.
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Re: VFR1200F DCT
Your beemer almost certainly has a torque convertor + epicycle box. Horse mentioned DSG, which is VW's version of DCT. Perhaps should be the other way around, DCT is Honda's version of DSG 'cause VW did it first 20 years ago now, come to think of it! I still think of it as new. Conceptually they all work in the same way (DSG, DCT, Porsche PDK yada yada), the only significant difference is in the choice of programming about when to change gear etc.
AFAIK the tech came from F1 in the late 90s, but weirdly the F1 teams never actually bothered with the second clutch. They were going to, but then they realised with clever control and modelling they could retain just the one clutch but keep all the doubled up 1-3-5 and 2-4-6 selector gubbins etc. They can, however briefly, be in two gears at once and cope with it.
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Re: VFR1200F DCT
Sure, I know. Some people are mentioning auto cars, it's not comparable.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:07 pmYour beemer almost certainly has a torque convertor + epicycle box.
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Re: VFR1200F DCT
Why not?dern wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:29 pmSure, I know. Some people are mentioning auto cars, it's not comparable.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:07 pmYour beemer almost certainly has a torque convertor + epicycle box.
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Re: VFR1200F DCT
This newfangled technology, eh?Count Steer wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:51 pmWhy not?dern wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:29 pmSure, I know. Some people are mentioning auto cars, it's not comparable.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:07 pm
Your beemer almost certainly has a torque convertor + epicycle box.
Not many chain drive cars about.
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Re: VFR1200F DCT
Because it's not an automatic gearbox, we're three pages in and it's been covered in some detail .Count Steer wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:51 pmWhy not?dern wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:29 pmSure, I know. Some people are mentioning auto cars, it's not comparable.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:07 pm
Your beemer almost certainly has a torque convertor + epicycle box.
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Give it another 5 posts and it'll be about Brexit and/or US politics.dern wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:00 pmBecause it's not an automatic gearbox, we're three pages in and it's been covered in some detail .
I don't regret buying this bike but I'm starting to regret starting this thread.
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Some folk are experts in everythingdern wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:00 pmBecause it's not an automatic gearbox, we're three pages in and it's been covered in some detail .
I don't regret buying this bike but I'm starting to regret starting this thread.
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Re: VFR1200F DCT
That distinction is blurred at best . The kind of gearbox in your bike is no different to the kind in plenty of cars billed as "auto".
If you ain't gotta change gears yourself, it's an auto innit?
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I change gears myself with it, I don't use the auto modes, mentioned this a page or so back.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:11 pmThat distinction is blurred at best . The kind of gearbox in your bike is no different to the kind in plenty of cars billed as "auto".
If you ain't gotta change gears yourself, it's an auto innit?
Why have some of you come to this thread to argue with me about my choice of bike? Fuck off with you all, I don't care if you want an auto or don't, start your own thread
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Re: VFR1200F DCT
Can someone quote what KFB, I've got that argumentative c*nt on ignore.KungFooBob wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:27 pmNo we don't.