Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[Mr. Dazzle]

That's not what the national grid reckon.

The peak was actually 2002, not 2016. I remembered it wrong.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... onceptions

[Asian Boss]

I'm guessing it wasn't at night.

I've posted on here before the paper from the National Grid which shows (in the UK) that even if everyone switched to an EV tomorrow demand would still be less than in was in 2016. Why 2016? That's when UK consumption peaked.

If everyone switched to an EV and all of them plugged it in at the same time the UK demand would probably hit a new peak a fair bit higher than 2016. And the Grid would likely trip.

I think everyone plugging in an 'empty' electric car at the same time is unlikely.

Isn't the idea that electric cars can buffer the grid?

I might replace my aging barry'd up saloon and would consider hybrid, plug in hybrid and full electric.

I do need excellent range and speed though, in order to travel swiftly through the firmament making million pound business, million pound business, million pound business, INNIT!

[Cousin Jack]

That's not what the national grid reckon.

The peak was actually 2002, not 2016. I remembered it wrong.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... onceptions

So how come the National Grid is concerned about blackouts THIS winter, not if/when we all are forced into EVs?

Either we have enough capacity or we don't. Someone, somewhere is being economical with the actualite.

[Asian Boss]

That's not what the national grid reckon.

The peak was actually 2002, not 2016. I remembered it wrong.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... onceptions

So how come the National Grid is concerned about blackouts THIS winter, not if/when we all are forced into EVs?

Either we have enough capacity or we don't. Someone, somewhere is being economical with the actualite.

That might be due to gas shortages caused by the war and ting.

[Yambo]

That's not what the national grid reckon.

The peak was actually 2002, not 2016. I remembered it wrong.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... onceptions

So how come the National Grid is concerned about blackouts THIS winter, not if/when we all are forced into EVs?

Either we have enough capacity or we don't. Someone, somewhere is being economical with the actualite.

That might be due to gas shortages caused by the war and ting.

Yay! Luckily there'll be no gas shortages when everyone has an EV!

No wars!

[Mr. Dazzle]

That's not what the national grid reckon.

The peak was actually 2002, not 2016. I remembered it wrong.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/jo ... onceptions

So how come the National Grid is concerned about blackouts THIS winter, not if/when we all are forced into EVs?

Either we have enough capacity or we don't. Someone, somewhere is being economical with the actualite.

They're concerned due to the availability of fuel, not the technical capacity of the grid itself. That ^^^ article is talking about what the grid is/will be capable of, assuming you've got fuel to put in the power stations be it gas, coal, uranium or sunlight etc. The current crisis is down to a problem with fuel supply, not the capacity of the grid/infrastructure.

[Cousin Jack]

They're concerned due to the availability of fuel, not the technical capacity of the grid itself. That ^^^ article is talking about what the grid is/will be capable of, assuming you've got fuel to put in the power stations be it gas, coal, uranium or sunlight etc. The current crisis is down to a problem with fuel supply, not the capacity of the grid/infrastructure.

So why are the National Grid funding trials of customers being encourage (with £ notes) to reduce peak demand? Surely if it is just a generating/fuel issue it should be the generating companies? Something, somewhere, doesn't quite add up.

I am sure you are right that a major problem is the lack of fuel for generation, but I have a sneaking suspicion that all is not well with the grid itself. In the last 10 years the pattern of consumption has changed a bit (like it always does), and the pattern of generation has changed a lot. Where are the new HV lines to take the green power from wind/solar farms to the consumers? I would have expected to see some major new pylon or UG routes being built, I haven't heard of much happening, and given that either OH or UG routes are a bit disruptive while being built I would have expected to have heard the complaints.

[Horse]

So why are the National Grid funding trials of customers being encourage (with £ notes) to reduce peak demand? Surely if it is just a generating/fuel issue it should be the generating companies? Something, somewhere, doesn't quite add up.

Put that in context, though. That's just one piece of research from a multitude.

And, along similar 'payment' themes, the Dutch used a similar format to encourage people to avoid congested roads and a trial years ago paid people to be 'better' drivers (keep within speed limit, maintain longer headways).

There's also been (long term - decades) research and development into using remote switching to ease peak demand, potentially temporarily switching off appliances or equipment, for example during 'half time' surges*.

* which also affect water demand when everyone flushes at the same time.

[ZRX61]

[Mussels]

That video relies on debunking the myth that EVs will fix global warning. I don't remember anyone of any importance saying it would fix global warming, any chance the video creators made it up?

[Horse]

I doubt that anyone here is looking for a fleet purchase. But on the off-chance

https://batteriesnews.com/caterpillar-s ... ng-ground/

Caterpillar successfully demonstrates first battery electric large mining truck and invests in sustainable proving ground.

Caterpillar Inc. (NYSE: CAT) announced a successful demonstration of its first battery electric 793 large mining truck and a significant investment to transform its Arizona-based proving ground into a sustainable testing and validation hub of the future.

[ZRX61]

That video relies on debunking the myth that EVs will fix global warning. I don't remember anyone of any importance saying it would fix global warming, any chance the video creators made it up?

Biden & Newsolini are always spouting that EV's will fix global warming, but I agree with you that neither are people of importance, unfortunately they both have the power to completely fuck things up.

[Cousin Jack]

That video relies on debunking the myth that EVs will fix global warning. I don't remember anyone of any importance saying it would fix global warming, any chance the video creators made it up?

If it isn't going to fix global warming then why the f*** are we legislating to force it on the UK? I have no problem with EVs, I just don't want one.

[Mussels]

That video relies on debunking the myth that EVs will fix global warning. I don't remember anyone of any importance saying it would fix global warming, any chance the video creators made it up?

If it isn't going to fix global warming then why the f*** are we legislating to force it on the UK? I have no problem with EVs, I just don't want one.

I think it's to improve air quality in cities, I never drive there so not sure why the backwards step is being forced on me as well.

[Cousin Jack]

That video relies on debunking the myth that EVs will fix global warning. I don't remember anyone of any importance saying it would fix global warming, any chance the video creators made it up?

If it isn't going to fix global warming then why the f*** are we legislating to force it on the UK? I have no problem with EVs, I just don't want one.

I think it's to improve air quality in cities, I never drive there so not sure why the backwards step is being forced on me as well.

I only have one local city. In reality it is a small/medium town. Air pollution is not a problem.

[ZRX61]

uh oh...

https://climatechangedispatch.com/soari ... -vw-warns/

[Taipan]

It's no secret that Brits love a good queue, but even by these standards no one wants to be stuck waiting in line on Christmas Day.

Unfortunately, this was the situation facing many Tesla owners across the UK, who were left queueing for hours when they should've been at home eating mince pies and watching trashy TV.


Although you can get some serious mileage out of a single charge, the electric vehicles have proven to be a bit of a pain over the festive season this year as so many people flocked to the charging stations before making their trips to family and friends.

According to Metro, some were queueing for up to six hours at a time, which makes sense when you factor in the charging time - experts state that it can take anywhere between 15 minutes and 12 hours depending on the model.

A number of social media users shared that they had been waiting for at least one or two hours before they'd even hooked their vehicle up.

Nearly 24 Teslas were seen besides a charging station in a Waitrose car park in South Mims, Hertfordshire, on Christmas Day.

One Twitter user described the situation as 'bedlam'. Credit: Twitter/@thejamiewaters
A similar story unfolded over in Tebay, Cumbria, where one person wrote on Twitter: "Bedlam @WestmorlandServ Tebay today. 2hr 30m wait for a charge.

"Worst journey as @Tesla driver. Q now 40 deep!"

Another in Penrith added: "Really upsetting to have to have whole family wait for 2 hours to charge car @Tesla #penrith #tebay."

A third shared a photo of a jam-packed queue, writing: "UK services this week have been insanely busy for Tesla charging, currently car 15 in a queue of over 20...

"But you can always rely on the British public to make an orderly queue."

Videos also surfaced on TikTok, with one shared by YouTuber and car buyer Geoff Buys Cars, who wrote: "Tesla owners queue for power at Penrith."

Over the footage of log jammed EVs, he quipped: "Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way... Oh what fun it is to own a Tesla for the Holiday."

The clip has received hundreds of comments from people who aren't all that sympathetic towards the Tesla owners.

Some were stuck in a queue for hours. Credit: Twitter/@cleggypdc
"Not patting themselves on the back now are they," quipped one, while another said: "That's the future right there," alongside a laughing emoji.

A third chimed in: "EVs are a con. Until the infrastructure catches up don’t waist your money."

And one former owner even commented to suggest that the queueing was too much to hack, writing: "Which is why I sold mine."

https://www.ladbible.com/news/tesla-own ... OmaMUMvNbI

[MyLittleStudPony]

Probably less of an issue the the recent fuel panic buying and shortages.

[Mussels]

Probably less of an issue the the recent fuel panic buying and shortages.

Not really, the petrol/diesel shortage was a short term problem while lack of charging stations has always been a problem that EV evangelists try to gloss over.

[Taipan]

I saw it on the A75 in France this year. Big queues for charging points, coinciding with the French going on their holidays. Peak demands are going to highlight the lack of infrastructure I suppose...