Hmmm.

[Yorick]

https://gasgas.com/es-es/models/enduro/ ... -2023.html

[Yorick]

Can get one 2000 less than a new Husky. Same engine. And it still has the oil tank

Hmmm...

[G.P]

No Brainer then ?
Not considering a four stroke?

[Yorick]

No Brainer then ?

Yup. Wondering if they'll part ex the Husky or the Beta X-Trainer

Not considering a four stroke?

SPIT

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

That's nice

[G.P]

No Brainer then ?

Yup. Wondering if they'll part ex the Husky or the Beta X-Trainer

Not considering a four stroke?

SPIT

That'll be a no then!
I was watching 44 teeth the other night and Fagan did the Weston Beach race on a 4T GasGas - it went well .

[Yorick]

No Brainer then ?

Yup. Wondering if they'll part ex the Husky or the Beta X-Trainer

Not considering a four stroke?

SPIT

That'll be a no then!
I was watching 44 teeth the other night and Fagan did the Weston Beach race on a 4T GasGas - it went well .

I love the sound and the power.

[Skub]

That looks like smartly dressed pain.

[mangocrazy]

Can get one 2000 less than a new Husky. Same engine. And it still has the oil tank

Hmmm...

What suspenders do Husky use? I know KTM use WP. KYB on the G-G should be OK, I'd have thought.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Can get one 2000 less than a new Husky. Same engine. And it still has the oil tank

Hmmm...

What suspenders do Husky use? I know KTM use WP. KYB on the G-G should be OK, I'd have thought.

I'd rather have Kayaba than White Power, my experience of White Power wasn't great.

[mangocrazy]

Can get one 2000 less than a new Husky. Same engine. And it still has the oil tank

Hmmm...

What suspenders do Husky use? I know KTM use WP. KYB on the G-G should be OK, I'd have thought.

I'd rather have Kayaba than White Power, my experience of White Power wasn't great.

Pre-KTM WP was high quality kit, pretty much on a par with Ohlins, but when KTM bought the company after a few years they basically told all the original WP engineers and designers that they were moving from NL to Austria and if they didn't like it they could take redundancy.

Which most of them did...

Now they've got a bunch of graduates running the show, with all sorts of fancy ideas, and not enough of the old guys left to keep them grounded. And there is constant pressure from the beancounters to build down to a price, as in most companies.

[weeksy]

What suspenders do Husky use? I know KTM use WP. KYB on the G-G should be OK, I'd have thought.

I'd rather have Kayaba than White Power, my experience of White Power wasn't great.

Pre-KTM WP was high quality kit, pretty much on a par with Ohlins, but when KTM bought the company after a few years they basically told all the original WP engineers and designers that they were moving from NL to Austria and if they didn't like it they could take redundancy.

Which most of them did...

Now they've got a bunch of graduates running the show, with all sorts of fancy ideas, and not enough of the old guys left to keep them grounded. And there is constant pressure from the beancounters to build down to a price, as in most companies.

The WP stuff on my 690smcr is quite simply brilliant

[mangocrazy]

I'd rather have Kayaba than White Power, my experience of White Power wasn't great.

Pre-KTM WP was high quality kit, pretty much on a par with Ohlins, but when KTM bought the company after a few years they basically told all the original WP engineers and designers that they were moving from NL to Austria and if they didn't like it they could take redundancy.

Which most of them did...

Now they've got a bunch of graduates running the show, with all sorts of fancy ideas, and not enough of the old guys left to keep them grounded. And there is constant pressure from the beancounters to build down to a price, as in most companies.

The WP stuff on my 690smcr is quite simply brilliant

I'm sure it's top class. I'm very happy with the shock on my 690 R, it's probably as good as any Ohlins I've used, but it is the fully adjustable, hi/lo compression damping, top of the line jobby. The forks are now much better and I don't really give them a second thought. I think WP went through a slump in terms of quality a few years back, but have turned it around. The Apex range seems to get consistently good reviews.

[Yorick]

Can get one 2000 less than a new Husky. Same engine. And it still has the oil tank

Hmmm...

What suspenders do Husky use?

WP

[wull]

White Power suspension is fantastic what a name, I ran WP suspension on my race R1 and it was fantastic, handled superbly.

[crust]

I reckon that looks the business.

KYB suspension according to the pic, linkage - should be great.

If it's like the superior 4 strokes the seat height will be lower as well.

[Yorick]

The UK price is 2 grand more than here.
But the second hand prices plummet.
They lose 3,000 in 1 year.

But thankfully they still fetch good money here second hand.

When I buy a bike, the price is never important. Its the depreciation figure that I work on.

[Potter]

For an enduro I'd always buy a 4T, because unless you're very good then they're easier to ride.
Same with 350 vs 450, the 350 is a weapon in the right hands but the 450 is an easier bike to ride quickly if you're just an average rider.

The 2Ts are fun, but after a couple of hours when you're knackered then a 4T is so much easier to manage.
Although if you need something very light then nothing will compete with a 125 2T, my RM125 was so easy to drag out of holes.

I'm impressed with the newer Gas Gas stuff though, if I get chance I'm going to try one of those 700's.

[Yorick]

For an enduro I'd always buy a 4T, because unless you're very good then they're easier to ride.
Same with 350 vs 450, the 350 is a weapon in the right hands but the 450 is an easier bike to ride quickly if you're just an average rider.

The 2Ts are fun, but after a couple of hours when you're knackered then a 4T is so much easier to manage.
Although if you need something very light then nothing will compete with a 125 2T, my RM125 was so easy to drag out of holes.

I'm impressed with the newer Gas Gas stuff though, if I get chance I'm going to try one of those 700's.

On the island I've met loads of super good enduro riders.
All ride 2 strokes.
Probably 90%

They're 20 kgs lighter to begin with. And I like the power delivery.

And 125s won't get you up the stupid climbs here.

[mangocrazy]

How different is the power delivery and outright power/torque between 2T and 4T enduro bikes? If it was just a question of kerb weight, 2T would win every time.