Is speed control coming for bikes?

[Horse]

Throttle input is absolutely part of the steering mechanism on cars ... Just like a bike really.

Very true - but you know what I mean

The difference is in potential consequences.

[slowsider]

Throttle input is absolutely part of the steering mechanism on cars ... Just like a bike really.

Very true - but you know what I mean

The difference is in potential consequences.

Potentially not

https://www.bosch-mobility-solutions.co ... y-control/

How prevalent is lift-off oversteer these days?

[Horse]

Very true - but you know what I mean

The difference is in potential consequences.

Potentially not

https://www.bosch-mobility-solutions.co ... y-control/

How prevalent is lift-off oversteer these days?

On bikes?

Go back waaaaay earlier in the thread, I said about 'how' speed reduction is achieved. Abruptly closing the throttle, or closing the throttle and applying the brakes, between cars and bikes, mid-corner, the difference is in potential consequences.

[Mr. Dazzle]

What you need is an EV, then you don't close the throttle...you just stop getting faster. The control is about a million times more accurate

[Horse]

My size 9 does the best it can

Only EVs I've driven were an earl Leaf and an Ampera. Neither were scintillating. Ampera was comfy though.

[Mr. Dazzle]

But from a speed control POV, the systems in an EV will be able to just hold a speed without sudden jerky cuts. So even if you were full throttle off the line up to the limiter, said limiter can just softly stop you getting any faster - almost like gently rolling back the throttle. It doesn't have to suddently cut power or apply brakes.

[slowsider]

The difference is in potential consequences.

Potentially not

https://www.bosch-mobility-solutions.co ... y-control/

How prevalent is lift-off oversteer these days?

On bikes?

Go back waaaaay earlier in the thread, I said about 'how' speed reduction is achieved. Abruptly closing the throttle, or closing the throttle and applying the brakes, between cars and bikes, mid-corner, the difference is in potential consequences.

No, but for cars the l-o o problem is related to change of throttle position in a bend; it's can be resolved by technology. Lots of bike issues are related to 'intentional' change of speed near bends, and may be resolved by tech, as may imposed changes of speed. Potentially.

[Hot_Air]

If we don't support the BMF, they can't spend our membership money on parties with strippers and the like.

You've not been to a BMF AGM evening 'event', have you?

Were they male strippers? (Over half the BMF management team are women.)

Perhaps I’ll join the forthcoming (8th October) AGM to find out how they organise the strippers on a Zoom meeting

[The Spin Doctor]

Have you never slowed down on the curved approach to a roundabout? Heck, I bet you've even braked!

Yes, mostly bikes do steer better on a whiff of throttle... but it doesn't mean they are uncontrollable with the throttle closed.

I don’t remember saying that they would be uncontrollable.

It would definitely make them more unpredictable - which isn’t something you want went steering the bike and it’s a pretty obvious safety implication.

You said: "It would UPSET the handling of the bike TOO MUCH".

To me, that implies 'beyond the ability of the rider to compensate for, or at least to feel comfortable with, the intervention'. Or else, what do you consider to be the "pretty obvious safety implication"?

My point remains... like every rider, you can and do steer the bike on a closing throttle and you do remain in control.

ABS has been made to work perfectly, ditto traction control, and modern ECU don't offer straight line connection from the throttle to the rear wheel any more but interpret what you ask for in terms of what the electronic package designer thinks you ought to get. I can't see ISA being any different.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Huge numbers of vehicles these days have no physical connection between the throttle and the engine, they manage OK.

[Cousin Jack]

IME of cars with 'fly by wire' throttles they are far better than mechanical linkages.

[wheelnut]

You said: "It would UPSET the handling of the bike TOO MUCH".

To me, that implies 'beyond the ability of the rider to compensate for, or at least to feel comfortable with, the intervention'. Or else, what do you consider to be the "pretty obvious safety implication"?

My point remains... like every rider, you can and do steer the bike on a closing throttle and you do remain in control.

ABS has been made to work perfectly, ditto traction control, and modern ECU don't offer straight line connection from the throttle to the rear wheel any more but interpret what you ask for in terms of what the electronic package designer thinks you ought to get. I can't see ISA being any different.

‘Upset it …. too much (to be acceptable)’ is different from being ‘uncontrollable’.

Exiting a rab at 30mph, lent over and the speed restriction kicks in, it going to tighten the radius of your turn until the rider figures out wtf is going on.

That’s why it will not get introduced on bikes. Both our cars have got speed limiters on. My bike, which has got cruise and every other riding aid known to man, does not have a speed limiter. There’s a reason for that and that’s the reason it will not get introduced on bikes anytime soon.

[mangocrazy]

My bike, which has got cruise and every other riding aid known to man, does not have a speed limiter. There’s a reason for that and that’s the reason it will not get introduced on bikes anytime soon.

You have a touching faith in the ability of legislators to understand fine nuances of control of a mode of transport of which they have no knowledge and zero interest.

[The Spin Doctor]

Exiting a rab at 30mph, lent over and the speed restriction kicks in, it going to tighten the radius of your turn until the rider figures out wtf is going on.

That’s why it will not get introduced on bikes. Both our cars have got speed limiters on. My bike, which has got cruise and every other riding aid known to man, does not have a speed limiter. There’s a reason for that and that’s the reason it will not get introduced on bikes anytime soon.

It could be nuanced - the crucial point is (at least as I understand it) is that the legislation simply says that vehicles must be fitted with ISA and says what it must achieve. HOW that happens is down to the manufacturer. So I am pretty sure that the various bike builders will test systems extensively so that there is minimal interference with the rider's control. For example, it would be entirely possible to include a tilt sensor so that the throttle reduction only takes place when the bike is close to upright.

[Count Steer]

Some of these 'driver aids' can become quite familiar, quite quickly. The latest one has that thing where, if you wander across the white line, the steering reacts. Once I'd switched off the incredibly annoying other alerts (an alarm and vibration of the wheel ) I got used to it quite quickly. To the point where, in the other car, I'm anticipating it and briefly puzzled when it doesn't happen.

It's not long ago that people were moaning about having to turn off the ABS every time they started their bikes. They didn't want anything interfering with their braking skills. Now everyone wants not just ABS but cornering ABS, traction control and configurable tweaking of it all and report how brilliant it all is. Funny old world.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I've nearly reversed into a couple of things already 'cause my car doesn't beep any more....

[The Spin Doctor]

I've nearly reversed into a couple of things already 'cause my car doesn't beep any more....

Ha. Beginner.

I can reverse into things anytime.

[wheelnut]

I've nearly reversed into a couple of things already 'cause my car doesn't beep any more....

Being used to the auto lights on her Seat, when my daughter drives my old Mazda she constantly forgets to put the lights on.

[Wossname]

She's got company. Lots of drivers think that if their dashboard lights are on, their lights are too. Front DRLs will be, but nothing is on at the back. I came round a blindish corner in the dark recently to find a car stopped on the n/s with no rear lights on. A bit tricky. When I passed, driver was on the phone, front DRLs and dash lights were on.

At least they had stopped to make/take the call....

[Horse]

Front DRLs will be, but nothing is on at the back.

My Leon's are (2017)