Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[Mussels]

https://www-teslarati-com.cdn.ampprojec ... -fire/amp/

It's all paraphrased, I wonder what AXA actually said.

[ChrisW]

Yeah old school Dualit I got second hand...it has a sticker on bottom with a London address, don't recall exactly where.

Just had a look under mine out of curiosity - it says Penarth Street SE15 and I bought it new, so I must be vintage.

[Mr. Dazzle]

'course what I really want is a Sunbeam Radiant Control....

Not sure you can get 'em in 240V though.

https://www.theverge.com/22801890/sunbe ... -t35-vista

[Count Steer]

Yeah old school Dualit I got second hand...it has a sticker on bottom with a London address, don't recall exactly where.

Just had a look under mine out of curiosity - it says Penarth Street SE15 and I bought it new, so I must be vintage.

So does mine but it was bought over 20 years ago.

Topic related-ish...filled up the hybrid 'shopping trolley' today. 30 litre tank. Available range, 500 miles.

[Mussels]

Something that might sway me towards buying an EV is the driving experience. Modern automatic turbo cars leave me cold, they can be fast with superb handling but I still don't like them.
I've tried to find opinions on how EVs are as drivers cars but everything is about squeezing maximum range out of them and how people obsess too much about range. If I'm driving locally and not worried about range then can they be exciting, have instant throttle response, control and accelerate well from 50mph instantly without spending £100k?

[Mr. Dazzle]

Driving in to my old work, the last stretch from the roundabout befoe the work junction was great for the tonne challenge. Can you hit 100mph before needing to brake for the work turning.

Is what a bit of an ask in my 320d, you had to get a good exit off the roundabout. My mates Clio 207 could do it OK but was surprisingly short on puff above 80. Obviously a piece of piss on a bike.

I got to 110mph doing it from standing in a borrowed iPace.

Nearly all EVs are top speed limited on revs, not power. Therefore most of them will charge right up to their vMax IME, if you'll pardon the pun.

[Rockburner]

Indicated or measured?

[Mr. Dazzle]

Only ever the former, fortunately.

[Horse]

the tonne challenge.

161kph?

FFS kids of today mutter mutter ...

[Docca]

I was with my wife driving towards Alton and for those that know, it’s a long quick road.

A Maserati, KTM something or other car and a Tesla S we’re all racing so we joined in.

The lady in the Tesla should have won- more top speed than the Volvo ( I can only get 115mph) but it gets there very quickly. We can second- the Maserati was last, the KTM car came in first- but like I say, the Tesla should have won.

I’d love to try and EV that was meant for handling. Whilst my car is perfectly comfortable, it’s not razor. Still, was probably the most fun I’ve had in that car

It’s also fun racing bikes off the lights

[Couchy]

Lots of nervousness with the EV owners we speak too. Some charge points are now £1 per kw, that works out at 30p per mile, nearly double what the average diesel car costs. Seems a lot bought into EV being cheaper rather than better for pollution and if it carries on will be going back to diesel. They’re ok if you can charge at home on a good tariff but risky if you can’t.

[Slenver]

Lots of nervousness with the EV owners we speak too. Some charge points are now £1 per kw, that works out at 30p per mile, nearly double what the average diesel car costs. Seems a lot bought into EV being cheaper rather than better for pollution and if it carries on will be going back to diesel. They’re ok if you can charge at home on a good tariff but risky if you can’t.

I wasn't in a position to buy an electric car anyway, but would certainly have considered it for my/our next car. There's no way currently though, the maths has been skewed by the price rises.

I have a couple of friends with fixed nighttime tariffs and solar panels etc, and it works out as peanuts for them. But with domestic prices going up to 35p/unit* it pretty much negates any running cost advantage and there's still the up front purchase costs. So I wouldn't consider one at all for the time being.

*Obviously the actual cost of electricity is some weird secret for some reason and we have to work back from the mythical 'price cap' but I think I read on MSE that it was 35p in my region.

[Slenver]

I posted this about a hundred or so pages ago, but I don't think the agenda is to make motoring cheap and convenient, I think it's to try and make it so expensive that it's reduced to the bare minimum.

I don't think it's either.

My problem with any conspiracy theories is that you have to have a base assumption that the government is capable of having an agenda at all.

[Noggin]

CoolBus are the biggest 'local' transfer company and definitely have led the way in EVs for transfers

http://skiflightfree.org/coolbus-update ... dduHdKOyMU

Electricity in the valley mostly (all?) comes from water - huge dam below Tignes and an electricity station at the bottom of the route down from there. So, not only do the EVs produce no fumes, the electricity isn't produced at a power station. Given the massive pollution in the valley on Saturdays (summer and winter) this is pretty awesome and will be fab if more companies can find a way to do similar. It does mean adjustments for breaks between transfers but charging stations are being built in 'useful' places near airports (ok, mostly Geneva at the mo!) and the network across France is improving all the time

Anyway. I think it's really positive Not least due to the people (mostly out here) that keep saying it isn't possible due to the cold!!

[Yambo]

I posted this about a hundred or so pages ago, but I don't think the agenda is to make motoring cheap and convenient, I think it's to try and make it so expensive that it's reduced to the bare minimum.

The motorist is just an enormous cash cow for the government. They don't want to reduce their income.

They simply haven't worked out how to get the same sort of income with EVs yet.

[Couchy]

I posted this about a hundred or so pages ago, but I don't think the agenda is to make motoring cheap and convenient, I think it's to try and make it so expensive that it's reduced to the bare minimum.

The motorist is just an enormous cash cow for the government. They don't want to reduce their income.

They simply haven't worked out how to get the same sort of income with EVs yet.

Thing is electric used for cars hasn't had any duty added to it yet, it will come or they will start charging per mile to use the roads making it even more expensive. The days of cheap motoring are def on the way out. I do wonder how those on low wages will afford a car to get to work. We could find 1000's of low paid people unable to get to work, especially those on shifts where public transport isn't an option. Surely we need the lower paid going to work as a lot of stuff they do is needed

[slowsider]

I posted this about a hundred or so pages ago, but I don't think the agenda is to make motoring cheap and convenient, I think it's to try and make it so expensive that it's reduced to the bare minimum.

The motorist is just an enormous cash cow for the government. They don't want to reduce their income.

They simply haven't worked out how to get the same sort of income with EVs yet.

Thing is electric used for cars hasn't had any duty added to it yet, it will come or they will start charging per mile to use the roads making it even more expensive. The days of cheap motoring are def on the way out. I do wonder how those on low wages will afford a car to get to work. We could find 1000's of low paid people unable to get to work, especially those on shifts where public transport isn't an option. Surely we need the lower paid going to work as a lot of stuff they do is needed

Before the advent of cheap transport the lower paid lived close to work. If workers can't travel, business will have to decentralise.
Think of the health benefits

[Mr. Dazzle]

People going to work predates personal cars by a century or ten.

I've just realised that the complaint about people living in terraced housing with no off road parking has quite a lot of links to the historical need for people to live close to work. That amuses me for some reason.

[Asian Boss]

Lots of nervousness with the EV owners we speak too. Some charge points are now £1 per kw, that works out at 30p per mile, nearly double what the average diesel car costs. Seems a lot bought into EV being cheaper rather than better for pollution and if it carries on will be going back to diesel. They’re ok if you can charge at home on a good tariff but risky if you can’t.

I wasn't in a position to buy an electric car anyway, but would certainly have considered it for my/our next car. There's no way currently though, the maths has been skewed by the price rises.

I have a couple of friends with fixed nighttime tariffs and solar panels etc, and it works out as peanuts for them. But with domestic prices going up to 35p/unit* it pretty much negates any running cost advantage and there's still the up front purchase costs. So I wouldn't consider one at all for the time being.

*Obviously the actual cost of electricity is some weird secret for some reason and we have to work back from the mythical 'price cap' but I think I read on MSE that it was 35p in my region.

If you’re on a standard variable tariff: The average unit price for dual fuel customers paying by direct debit will be limited to 34.0p/kWh for electricity and 10.3p/kWh for gas, inclusive of VAT, from 1 October

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ember-2022

[Asian Boss]

The polluters are paying.