Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[Couchy]

Why is that do you think ?

At 70 mph ANY engine needs same horse power to do that speed.

Mainly down to weight I guess. (That, and the fact that they tend to be pretty quick from 0 to 30 so people probably enjoy the traffic light GP more often...that'll wear tyres out quite nicely).

Skoda Enyaq = 1850kg. Oof!

AFAIK they're all either RWD or rear-biased four wheel drive though, like most EVs these days. So if you're wearing out just the front tyres it's almost certainly 'cause you're coming into the braking zones super hot or understeering your way around roundabouts in a cloud of tyre screech. Either way it's weight rather than the innate EVness which is killing the fronts, IYSWIM.

Gotta be the weight and the power, no one seems to be mentioning the tyres in running costs or how bad they are for the environment....

[Mr. Dazzle]

I do wonder if it's just 'cause EVs are faster than they let on...by which I mean, it's very easy to drive one faster and harder than you think you are, simply because the usual signs (engine noise basically) aren't there. Couple that with the fact that EVs are generally very fast off the line and at normal road speeds. Thus you find yourself braking and cornering harder than you normally would, without even meaning to.

[Taipan]

I think a lot of today's yoof don't give a crap about other used resources such as tyres or spending more on such things. They want clean air in cities. Imagine if cities like London only had EVs and no ICEs running around. Of course, there's still an environmental impact from EVs, but the immediate benefits of cleaner air seem to trump anything else? Can't say I disagree with that at present either.

[slowsider]

Why is that do you think ?

At 70 mph ANY engine needs same horse power to do that speed.

Mainly down to weight I guess. (That, and the fact that they tend to be pretty quick from 0 to 30 so people probably enjoy the traffic light GP more often...that'll wear tyres out quite nicely).

Reverse that - acceleration will be the biggest factor esp with fwd. Weight? The Enyaq weighs about the same as my car and my tyres are doing fine.

I stand corrected, CS, rwd it is.

[slowsider]

I think a lot of today's yoof don't give a crap about other used resources such as tyres or spending more on such things. They want clean air in cities. Imagine if cities like London only had EVs and no ICEs running around. Of course, there's still an environmental impact from EVs, but the immediate benefits of cleaner air seem to trump anything else? Can't say I disagree with that at present either.

I don't want to take this thread off into a murky tangent but what are the immediate benefits of clean air in inner cities?
I would have thought the money could be spent better on better education, more policemen on the streets, the encouragement of family values instead of gangster values and educating fathers to hang around until their offspring is eighteen.

There are a fuck ton of better things to spend millions of pounds on.
I honestly couldn't give a fig about clean air when I visit London, I'm sure if I stayed there for long enough I'd be bludgeoned to death before I contracted lung cancer.

It's not just lungs. Spending money on better education might be pointless if you are poisoning their brains. The air pollution might be leading to the bludgeoning

https://cen.acs.org/biological-chemistr ... nds/98/i21

[Mr. Dazzle]

There are a fuck ton of better things to spend millions of pounds on.
I honestly couldn't give a fig about clean air when I visit London, I'm sure if I stayed there for long enough I'd be bludgeoned to death before I contracted lung cancer.

I don't know the exact figures, but IIRC the number of premature deaths in London attributed to air quality is measured in the thousands per year. There are not even a thousand murders across the whole UK in a year, are there?

[Taipan]

I think a lot of today's yoof don't give a crap about other used resources such as tyres or spending more on such things. They want clean air in cities. Imagine if cities like London only had EVs and no ICEs running around. Of course, there's still an environmental impact from EVs, but the immediate benefits of cleaner air seem to trump anything else? Can't say I disagree with that at present either.

I don't want to take this thread off into a murky tangent but what are the immediate benefits of clean air in inner cities?
I would have thought the money could be spent better on better education, more policemen on the streets, the encouragement of family values instead of gangster values and educating fathers to hang around until their offspring is eighteen.

There are a fuck ton of better things to spend millions of pounds on.
I honestly couldn't give a fig about clean air when I visit London, I'm sure if I stayed there for long enough I'd be bludgeoned to death before I contracted lung cancer.

Ask asthma and COPD sufferers I suppose. But this isn't about you or govt spending to change things, it's about consumer spending habits changing things, with cleaner air being the main driver. Plus you're being ridiculous saying you're more likely to get bludgeoned to death in London, its stabbed to death that is the more likely method! Again, most Londoners are much more likely to be affected by dirty air than crime.

[Yambo]

There are a fuck ton of better things to spend millions of pounds on.
I honestly couldn't give a fig about clean air when I visit London, I'm sure if I stayed there for long enough I'd be bludgeoned to death before I contracted lung cancer.

I don't know the exact figures, but IIRC the number of premature deaths in London attributed to air quality is measured in the thousands per year. There are not even a thousand murders across the whole UK in a year, are there?

Iirc, lead in petrol lead to the deaths of millions but also reduced IQ levels and increased anti-social behaviour and aggressiveness in young people.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Correlation <-> Causation and all that, but it's a fascinating graph right?

[Yambo]

Correlation <-> Causation and all that, but it's a fascinating graph right?

I think the same or similar pattern graph applied to the UK and most European countries. Probably others as well.

[wheelnut]

Iirc, lead in petrol lead to the deaths of millions but also reduced IQ levels and increased anti-social behaviour and aggressiveness in young people.

If I recall correctly the guy who pioneered the use of lead in petrol then went on to develop the use of CFCs in refrigeration.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Thomas Midgley (sic).

Not the best of luck with inventions

[wheelnut]

Thomas Midgley (sic).

Not the best of luck with inventions

Nope, he then developed polio, invented a contraption to help himself get out of bed and promptly managed to strangle himself with it,

[Dodgy69]

In recent times, I've discovered that Emotors to drive cars/vans are brilliant. Instant and smooth with loads of torque. They just need tiny ice engines to keep them going.

[Count Steer]

Correlation <-> Causation and all that, but it's a fascinating graph right?

Probably explains why the Romans were 'a bit aggressive'.

'The Romans used an artificial sweetener called sapa, a grape syrup, to preserve wine and sweeten foods. And sapa, boiled in lead vessels, carried a highly toxic level of the heavy metal. The artificial sweetener contained lead levels 200 times higher than the EPA allows.'

They used lead water pipes too.

Re London. Having lived in it, not only would cleaner air at street level have been nice but it was incredible how dirty the air was on the tube. I've seen films of the crews that clean the tunnels at night and it was like a layer of soot. (Paris and Brussels Metros weren't as bad but still a bit ). Where's all that crut come from? (Hopefully not asbestos from brake dust!).

[Horse]

https://www.interchange-uk.com/news/int ... astructure

Volkswagen and bp have set up a strategic partnership that aims to transform access to EV charging in key European markets. The first phase of the roll-out will see up to 4,000 fast charge points installed at bp retail sites in the UK and bp's Aral fuel retail sites in Germany.

By the end 2024, the partnership aims to have installed 8,000 charge points across Germany, the UK and other European countries.

The plan is based upon Volkswagen’s Flexpole 150kW charging units, which each feature two charge points and an integrated battery storage system. This means the units can be connected to a low voltage grid, removing the requirement for a dedicated substation and costly construction work. Battery storage significantly reduces installation times while still providing fast charging speeds of up to 150kW, enough to deliver up to 160km of driving in as little as 10 minutes, depending on the model of electric vehicle.

Bernard Looney, chief executive officer, bp says, “EV charging is one of the key engines driving bp’s transformation to an integrated energy company. That’s why we’re so excited by our partnership with Volkswagen. When you bring together one of the world’s leading car makers and one of the world’s leading energy companies – the opportunity is huge. This is a significant step-forward on our journey to accelerate the electrification of transport in Europe.”

Unveiling the first charger in Dusseldorf, Germany, Herbert Diess, Volkswagen’s chief executive officer, said, “Volkswagen has been pioneering the transformation to e-mobility across Europe. Investing in everything from software to batteries and charging is part of our strategy to make individual mobility safer, more convenient and fully climate-neutral. The decarbonisation of Europe’s economy requires close collaboration across borders and sectors. We’re pleased to team up with bp to accelerate the roll-out of the fast-charging network across Europe.”

The charger locations will be integrated into the navigation and other in-car apps of VW, Seat and Skoda vehicles as well as into Volkswagen’s charging application, Elli, making it easier for drivers to find available charging points. However the new chargers will be available to all EV drivers through the bp pulse and Aral pulse networks.

[Cousin Jack]

https://www.interchange-uk.com/news/int ... astructure

............................ providing fast charging speeds of up to 150kW, enough to deliver up to 160km of driving in as little as 10 minutes, depending on the model of electric vehicle.

Better, but not sufficient. I charged my petrol car this morning, in 5 mins, with enough for a range of 550 miles. And my petrol tank will last as long as the car, probably for 25 years.

[Yambo]

Didn't VolksWagen put out a lot of disputable numbers a few years ago?

[slowsider]

https://www.interchange-uk.com/news/int ... astructure

............................ providing fast charging speeds of up to 150kW, enough to deliver up to 160km of driving in as little as 10 minutes, depending on the model of electric vehicle.

Better, but not sufficient. I charged my petrol car this morning, in 5 mins, with enough for a range of 550 miles. And my petrol tank will last as long as the car, probably for 25 years.

Tboth moot - first, you didn't go on to drive 550 miles directly after recharging it; and second, you won't keep the car for 25 years.

[Slenver]

highly toxic level of the heavy metal.