Crosshair wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:04 pm
Nah, I use plain sugar
Lots though, 60g per 500ml with a pinch of salt.
For food, I like rice crispie squares, jelly babies and wine gums. With pork scratchings mixed in (honest).
I’ve realised that the SIS powder I used to use for crit racing was giving me gout!!! Too much fructose and was raising my uric acid levels.
Bro science but from what I gathered in a podcast this week, ability to process carbs is down to an enzyme that separates the fructose and glucose contained in sucrose (sugar). If you have that enzyme (through practice ) you get more energy out of each gram of sugar. If you don’t- it continues on through your gut and gives you an upset tummy
But for on the bike food i'm generally a flapjack kind of boy for sure, i can do a nice bit of malt loaf too at a push. I've honestly not given much choice to what i'll be taking on this trip as some of that will be influenced by the weather, warm and sunny will be different clothing with different pockets and carrying etc. 6 weeks today and i'll be driving to Folkestone about now.
Crosshair wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:04 pm
Bro science but from what I gathered in a podcast this week, ability to process carbs is down to an enzyme that separates the fructose and glucose contained in sucrose (sugar). If you have that enzyme (through practice ) you get more energy out of each gram of sugar. If you don’t- it continues on through your gut and gives you an upset tummy
Interesting area. The fructose and glucose split starts in the mouth but most of it happens in the small intestine where the enzyme sucrase does it's job. So, as that's after the stomach it shouldn't cause stomach problems more of an upset intestine But that's probably a similar sensation What got me wondering though was why not add sucrase to the high sugar energy foods/drinks? Maybe they do - anyone know? (Or just use glucose/fructose...old style drinks were glucose and iirc that's why Lucozade was supposed to be good for sick people. Flat Lucozade could work as a cheapish drink on the road).
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I've had the crappy "stomach" feelings from gels and drinks additives but I have to say I've used SIS for a while - Go hydration tabs and gels - and had no issues at all. Both seem effective as well, although I've never gone back to plain water so they may just be a great placebo!
On longer - SDW - type rides I find that if I can have a gel every hour plus a Shokk block every 20 mins I can keep going way beyond what I would expect. Its almost feels like energy in equalling energy out.
On the last SDW BHF ride I was filling my pocket with jelly beans and sugary sweets every stop. Came to a halt almost at the top of the last rocky climb out of the village with nothing, laid down on the grass, emptied my sweet pocket and 20 mins had enough energy to finish the climb and ride into Eastbourne.
This ride is going to be around 6 - 7 hours, so half a dozen gels, 3 or 4 Shokk block bars and a bag of wine gums should do it
SIS Gels ruin my bowel the next day, so I use shokbloks, tangfastics and Torq gels (more as a get me home I've gone bang supplement). Long rides I might pack a peanut butter sandwich.
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I must try and read up on it more to help me understand the full process. I think he said they’re trying to manufacture an inhibitor drug because the people who don’t have the enzyme at all literally struggle to hold weight and pass all their sugar straight out!
Ah it was transporters as well. So if you acclimate your gut to sugar, it makes more transporters to enable you to absorb a greater percentage.
In a study in kids, the difference was 30%!! So the lean kids with little sugar exposure only absorbed 70% and metabolised it slowly. The obese ones with fatty liver absorbed 100% and metabolised it super fast!
I must try and read up on it more to help me understand the full process. I think he said they’re trying to manufacture an inhibitor drug because the people who don’t have the enzyme at all literally struggle to hold weight and pass all their sugar straight out!
Sports nutrition is hot science these days - when I was running it was carbo-load 8 hours+ before and a drink copied from Martina Navratilova (water, splash of orange juice, pinch of salt - a balanced electrolyte before they came in fancy bottles!) and that was it. Once the glycogen in the muscles had gone, so was I.
BiL was a cyclist and packed his bonk bag with Mars bars, peanut brittle and flat Tizer.
Friend might have done some deeper research - diabetic distance swimmer!
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Ride is this weekend, so I thought to myself, what better a time to make some changes. I wasn't feeling the long stem on it, so threw on the shorter stem. It's about a 40mm from a 90mm, feels lots better and a far nicer riding position though.
Bike and kit all ready to go in the car tomorrow, then stupid o'clock start on Friday to head to Belgium
Having lots of 'riding kit' debates today... it's going to be 15-16deg i think and most of my current riding stuff is more suited to winter.... but the day is likely to start off with a chill so debating how i can combat that and which/what will work in terms of early morning AND afternoon once it starts warming up.
My thought is currently leaning towards an old Decathlon thermal/walking top and once it warms up, remove top and throw in the bin. I think it cost me £6 about 4 years ago... so not like it actually matters.
Once you get rolling you won't need much unless it's a cool breeze, it's the fannying about before the start that gets you cold. Most Sportives have a system where you can give them a bag at the start and they deliver it to the finish - has this one got that?
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Ditchfinder wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:39 pm
Once you get rolling you won't need much unless it's a cool breeze, it's the fannying about before the start that gets you cold. Most Sportives have a system where you can give them a bag at the start and they deliver it to the finish - has this one got that?
Starts and finishes in the same place mate
So i dunno if that's an option, but even if not, it's not like we're far from our Airbnb.
Easy then, stick you thermal in a bin bag and stash it - if it's there when you finish you get a brucey bonus.
Alternative is just wear the bin bag and toss it in the first bin you come to
Have a good ride
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(honest).
) you get more energy out of each gram of sugar. If you don’t- it continues on through your gut and gives you an upset tummy
) you get more energy out of each gram of sugar. If you don’t- it continues on through your gut and gives you an upset tummy 
But that's probably a similar sensation 
What got me wondering though was why not add sucrase to the high sugar energy foods/drinks? Maybe they do - anyone know? (Or just use glucose/fructose...old style drinks were glucose and iirc that's why Lucozade was supposed to be good for sick people. Flat Lucozade could work as a cheapish drink on the road).
