New highway code rules, giving way to cyclists

[weeksy]

The new HC guidance also only applies "slower roads" does it not?

Dunno mate, i've not actually read any of it. I'm aware of the changes in a vague context, but that's about it.

[Mr. Dazzle]

The new HC guidance also only applies "slower roads" does it not?

Dunno mate, i've not actually read any of it. I'm aware of the changes in a vague context, but that's about it.

HEre you go....

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/lega ... d-to-know/

Rule 72 is new for 2022 and instructs cyclists about their position in the road. There are two basic positions which cyclists should adopt depending on driving conditions.

Cyclists should ride in the centre of their lane:

on quiet roads and streets
in slower-moving traffic
when approaching junctions or narrow roads

I wonder how many "I know my rights" cyclists riding on a 60mph country road will read it Not while they're riding along that is, but before they start riding down the middle of the roads. Is a 60mph road with not much traffic 'quiet'?

[weeksy]

The new HC guidance also only applies "slower roads" does it not?

Dunno mate, i've not actually read any of it. I'm aware of the changes in a vague context, but that's about it.

HEre you go....

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/lega ... d-to-know/

Rule 72 is new for 2022 and instructs cyclists about their position in the road. There are two basic positions which cyclists should adopt depending on driving conditions.

Cyclists should ride in the centre of their lane:

on quiet roads and streets
in slower-moving traffic
when approaching junctions or narrow roads

I wonder how many "I know my rights" cyclists riding on a 60mph country road will read it Not while they're riding along that is, but before they start riding down the middle of the roads. Is a 60mph road with not much traffic 'quiet'?

I think many cyclists will read it... more cyclists than car drivers for sure... However, half of them will as you imply, read and interpret it however they see fit.

Despite being a cyclist, i'm very much aware of how many arseholes there are. But there's just as many arsehole drivers too

[Mr. Dazzle]

I don't think you need to differentiate between cyclists and car drivers when considering arseholes

[iansoady]

Redditch (at least the new town bit) is similar in that you can get anywhere by pushbike or on foot without having to cross anything more than a residential cul de sac. It's brilliant after living in suburban Brum.

Having said that the lycra warriors still insist on using the main roads.......

[Mr. Dazzle]

TBF - it's not that well advertised, but shared used pedestrian/cycle paths have a nominal speed limit of 12mph. It's not a limit per se, but you're supposed to ride on the road if you plan on cycling faster than that.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

TBF - it's not that well advertised, but shared used pedestrian/cycle paths have a nominal speed limit of 12mph. It's not a limit per se, but you're supposed to ride on the road if you plan on cycling faster than that.

Never heard of that, where does it come from, is it something British Cycling have made up?

[weeksy]

I think that's basically down to being a safe speed for shared pavements with pedestrians. I've seen it before, but i don't care as there's no cycle lanes in middle of nowhere anyway.

[ace llani]

https://www.norfolklive.co.uk/news/uk-w ... ir3emQ5cc0

New Highway Code rule changes priority at roundabouts

A new rule added to the Highway Code has changed who gets priority at a roundabout.

Previously, drivers were given priority, but that is about to change.

A new section under rule 186 means that road users will now be forced to give priority to cyclists on roundabouts, Manchester Evening News reports.

The rule states: "You should give priority to cyclists on the roundabout. They will be travelling more slowly than motorised traffic.

"Give them plenty of room and do not attempt to overtake them within their lane. Allow them to move across your path as they travel around the roundabout.

Only read this first post.

Cyclists and horse riders have no rights to be on a public highway.

Have they passed a test - no
are they insured if they cause an accident - no
Do they pay road tax - no
A horse is a dumb animal, so can't be controlled and easily spooked - is this safe -no
Do they think they own he road and act like CNUTs - yes

In the highway code - motorists need to make "adequate progression" as too slow is a road hazard.

If you want to ride one of the above, do it on private land.

[weeksy]

https://www.norfolklive.co.uk/news/uk-w ... ir3emQ5cc0

New Highway Code rule changes priority at roundabouts

A new rule added to the Highway Code has changed who gets priority at a roundabout.

Previously, drivers were given priority, but that is about to change.

A new section under rule 186 means that road users will now be forced to give priority to cyclists on roundabouts, Manchester Evening News reports.

The rule states: "You should give priority to cyclists on the roundabout. They will be travelling more slowly than motorised traffic.

"Give them plenty of room and do not attempt to overtake them within their lane. Allow them to move across your path as they travel around the roundabout.

Only read this first post.

Cyclists and horse riders have no rights to be on a public highway.

Have they passed a test - no
are they insured if they cause an accident - no
Do they pay road tax - no
A horse is a dumb animal, so can't be controlled and easily spooked - is this safe -no
Do they think they own he road and act like CNUTs - yes

In the highway code - motorists need to make "adequate progression" as too slow is a road hazard.

If you want to ride one of the above, do it on private land.

don't be silly.

Plenty of cyclists are insured yes. Plenty of them have tests, licences, both car and motorbike.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

A road is a public right of way, pedestrians have more right to use them than anyone else, everything else has laws they should abide to that protect other users.

[The Spin Doctor]

Lost count how many I saw y'day... including a group of about a dozen straggling out over about 400 metres on a busy road, making it almost impossible to overtake them. A couple of riders were side-by-side with another, several were slipstreaming, and others were just at random intervals. I understand it's not easy to ride at the same speed as other riders, particularly up a bit of a hill, but it really would help if groups like this either rode as a single side-by-side block, or in small groups with decent gaps between them. The result of their 'group' was a couple of iffy passes ahead of me.

They probably were before they got to a hilly bit.

Sadly, got stuck behind them at 15 mph for getting of for ten minutes and almost two miles - it was only on the hill when they slowed down I got past.

To be fair most of the others we encountered were pretty cool, including on pair who actually slowed down to a walk to allow me to pass easily at a wider bit of a narrow road.

[The Spin Doctor]

Cyclists and horse riders have no rights to be on a public highway.

I think the word 'public' gives it away...

[weeksy]

Lost count how many I saw y'day... including a group of about a dozen straggling out over about 400 metres on a busy road, making it almost impossible to overtake them. A couple of riders were side-by-side with another, several were slipstreaming, and others were just at random intervals. I understand it's not easy to ride at the same speed as other riders, particularly up a bit of a hill, but it really would help if groups like this either rode as a single side-by-side block, or in small groups with decent gaps between them. The result of their 'group' was a couple of iffy passes ahead of me.

They probably were before they got to a hilly bit.

Sadly, got stuck behind them at 15 mph for getting of for ten minutes and almost two miles - it was only on the hill when they slowed down I got past.

To be fair most of the others we encountered were pretty cool, including on pair who actually slowed down to a walk to allow me to pass easily at a wider bit of a narrow road.

They were doing well to hit 15mph for a hill and 2 miles... you should have congratulated them.

[Cousin Jack]

Redditch (at least the new town bit) is similar in that you can get anywhere by pushbike or on foot without having to cross anything more than a residential cul de sac. It's brilliant after living in suburban Brum.

Having said that the lycra warriors still insist on using the main roads.......

TBF - it's not that well advertised, but shared used pedestrian/cycle paths have a nominal speed limit of 12mph. It's not a limit per se, but you're supposed to ride on the road if you plan on cycling faster than that.

I used to ride a bike in MK, with a brilliant redway network. However it was brilliant for lazy leisure cycling, not for getting from A to B.

When I went out for a quiet ride on a summer evening it was (mostly) on the redways. When I was cycling to the station, to catch a train it was straight down the grid roads. It was much faster, and safer too since the redways were prone to having blind corners and bloody dog owners with no sense of keeping to one side. OK if you took the corner at 5 mph, at 20 mph you stood a good chance of being garroted by a dog lead.

[The Spin Doctor]

They were doing well to hit 15mph for a hill and 2 miles... you should have congratulated them.

Read it again

They were doing 15 mph on the flat, THEN hit the hill where they slowed enough for me to be able to overtake!

If they'd been cycling faster it would have been even more of a struggle to get past them. When I was cycling-fit I used to reckon on an AVERAGE of 16 mph for cross-country rides on the road in Kent but long drags used to kill me... nearing the top of one of the Cat 1 climbs in the Pyrenees I was going so slowly someone overtook me walking... with a crate of beer on his shoulder.

[Mr. Dazzle]

When I went out for a quiet ride on a summer evening it was (mostly) on the redways. When I was cycling to the station, to catch a train it was straight down the grid roads. It was much faster, and safer too since the redways were prone to having blind corners and bloody dog owners with no sense of keeping to one side. OK if you took the corner at 5 mph, at 20 mph you stood a good chance of being garroted by a dog lead.

You wanna try it on an e-scooter with atrocious brakes

[Count Steer]

Lost count how many I saw y'day... including a group of about a dozen straggling out over about 400 metres on a busy road, making it almost impossible to overtake them. A couple of riders were side-by-side with another, several were slipstreaming, and others were just at random intervals. I understand it's not easy to ride at the same speed as other riders, particularly up a bit of a hill, but it really would help if groups like this either rode as a single side-by-side block, or in small groups with decent gaps between them. The result of their 'group' was a couple of iffy passes ahead of me.

They probably were before they got to a hilly bit.

Sadly, got stuck behind them at 15 mph for getting of for ten minutes and almost two miles - it was only on the hill when they slowed down I got past.

To be fair most of the others we encountered were pretty cool, including on pair who actually slowed down to a walk to allow me to pass easily at a wider bit of a narrow road.

Ever since the London Olympics this area has become the go-to playground for every wannabe Olympian for 40 miles around. Getting anywhere (lots of narrow roads) at weekends is a real pain in the bum. The clubs are the best, they have a bit of savvy and organisation but the number of times you end up sat in queues of ~20 vehicles chugging along at inefficient speeds watching the front of the queue trying to leapfrog a couple of 'weekend Anquetils' at a time is getting boring. Cycling doesn't appear to save much CO2 if you take the tailbacks into account.

[weeksy]

Cycling doesn't appear to save much CO2 if you take the tailbacks into account.

I'm not sure that's why the cyclists do it... MAny of us simply enjoy it.

Admittedly as we've seen i'm more at home on the dirt than the lanes, especially busy lanes... but i certainly don't ride because of some eco warrior reasons.

[Count Steer]

Cycling doesn't appear to save much CO2 if you take the tailbacks into account.

I'm not sure that's why the cyclists do it... MAny of us simply enjoy it.

Admittedly as we've seen i'm more at home on the dirt than the lanes, especially busy lanes... but i certainly don't ride because of some eco warrior reasons.

The cycling lobbyists make a big play on the health AND environment benefits.