Ducati V4s 2018-19 & 20-21

[wull]

Ignoring the new 2022 one that’s about to be released……..

Am I right in thinking the 2018-19 are the same, no changes and then there were some changes for the 2020 model and then the 2021 was the same as the 20, no further changes????

[weeksy]

Calling @fil2 and @Rp1

[Rp1]

Yup 18/19 bikes are the same, the 19's came with all the recalls of the 18 completed, oil cooler, cooling fins added and few other bits that I can't remember lol, the 20/21 are a fair bit different, believe they are slightly longer wheel base, came with the v4r frame slightly different head angle (?) and swingarm position, different rear shock linkages and the V4r fairings with wings, and tweeks to the electronics Supposably an easier bike to ride at pace than the 18/19 although I always thought my 18 bike was a very easy bike to ride on the road and on the track.

[wull]

Yup 18/19 bikes are the same, the 19's came with all the recalls of the 18 completed, oil cooler, cooling fins added and few other bits that I can't remember lol, the 20/21 are a fair bit different, believe they are slightly longer wheel base, came with the v4r frame slightly different head angle (?) and swingarm position, different rear shock linkages and the V4r fairings with wings, and tweeks to the electronics Supposably an easier bike to ride at pace than the 18/19 although I always thought my 18 bike was a very easy bike to ride on the road and on the track.

Legend, the reviews I was reading were pretty much saying what you have but only for the 2020 bike in relation to the differences to the 2018/19 bike. But there wasn’t much about the 2021 bike and then one review which seemed to be for the 2020 and 2021 bike seemed to state that for the 2021 bike there was this that and the next which didn’t quite sound right, it was almost making it out as if the 2021 bike was different to the 2020 bike.


See review here, further down the page you’ll see the bit that I am talking about, the bit where it’s got Ducati V4s upgrades for 2021

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/amp/bike ... -v4s/2020/

[wull]

I’ve been looking more into this as it’s still doing my head in. I was reading MCN’s online review of the new 2022 bike and even on that they touch on this “apparent” upgrade for 2021. So I downloaded the manual for the 2020 and 2021 bike and had a read.

The only thing I can see that’s different which I don’t think condones them stating “electronic upgrade” etc for 2021 is they added an extra riding mode, so instead of the 3 riding modes in 2020 which was Race, Sport and Road they had for the 2021 bike - Race A, Race B, Sport and Road. It’s something like that, it might not be accurate but it’s went from 3 to 4. And each of these rider modes can be tailored to whatever you want.

Now I don’t think there is anything different with how the traction control or wheelie control works, all of that is the exactly the same, it will work as it did in 2020.

Another thing I noticed between the 2 which makes no difference in all honesty is what is displayed down to the right hand side bottom of the dash, the parameters that can be adjusted on the fly. On the 2020 model it has more displayed when you scroll up and down but only 4 of them are adjustable on the fly whereas the 2021 only shows the ones that are adjustable when you scroll up and down.

And that’s it, pisses me off that the journalists state “electronic updates” as it makes you think there’s more to it and when you’re trying to decide which one to go for then obviously you’d want the absolute best that you can afford, but if the 2020 is the exact same, pretty much anyway, then I’m sure money could be saved.

[weeksy]

I was having a similar debate yesterday...

I'd guess there's about 0.5% difference in performance between any of them.... 1bhp here, 1 tweak there.. it's so minimal ?

[wull]

I was having a similar debate yesterday...

I'd guess there's about 0.5% difference in performance between any of them.... 1bhp here, 1 tweak there.. it's so minimal ?

For me when the changes are made to the electronics where they work better, are smoother, less intrusive in the sense you can’t even tell they’re working then I’d rather have that over the previous year, if that’s what the differences is. But if it’s like above then I’d happily purchase the previous year knowing the difference doesn’t warrant me to lose any sleep. I’m terrible at having to know and the piss poor review from MCN saying as much has got my mind going into overdrive.

This is the 2020 bike, notice how they state 4 rider modes but list only 3. Clearly a typo.




And this is for the 2021 bike - typo with the parameters that can be adjusted on the fly, DSB instead of DSC which is the Ducati slide control.




Note the only difference with regards to the parameters display is more items are shown on the 2020 when you scroll but only the same are allowed to be adjusted on the fly.

One thing I get which pissed me off with the 1299 which is the same as the V4 and probably just the way it is with the way the electronics work and how they calculate things is you can’t either switch them on or off on the fly. So let’s say you have wheelie control at 1 then decide you fancy doing a big wheelie then you can’t switch it off on the fly, and vice versa, you can’t put it on if off on the fly. Same applies with the traction control etc. Not the end of the world but something I picked up on and was pissed off about 5 mins, even though I’m still going on about it now.

P.s - the parameters that aren’t shown at the bottom right on the 2021 which are shown on the 2020 bike are probably shown somewhere else on the dash to say that they are active, up and down shifter etc. I imagine they decided after the 2020 bike that there was no point having parameters within the up and down scroll box that you couldn’t adjust, say you were on track and wanted to change the traction control it would be a pain in the tots having to scroll down past parameters that you can’t even adjust anyway just to get to the one you want.

[wull]

Found this which states that there is a slight difference to the electrics namely the traction control or slide control with regards to corner exit, or is it throttle input…….either way I’m still none the wiser as there is nothing which states exactly what the differences are from the 2020-2021 bike. Only difference I know for sure is what I found above.

[The Spin Doctor]

Isn't EXIT a riding mode?

For those moments when you've just had enough of life?

[wull]

[Bigyin]

This is the 2020 bike, notice how they state 4 rider modes but list only 3. Clearly a typo.

There are 2 different Race modes, Race A and Race B as well as Sport and Street so thats the 4

[wull]

This is the 2020 bike, notice how they state 4 rider modes but list only 3. Clearly a typo.

There are 2 different Race modes, Race A and Race B as well as Sport and Street so thats the 4

That’s on the 21 bike. The 20 bike only has 3, and in the manual for the 20 is states “there are 4 rider modes, Race,sport and road” which is only 3. I expect that from them after the mistake they made with regards to the chain length for the 1299 which was wrongly stated in the owners manual.

I’ve finally got down to the bottom of it and there is a difference for the traction control on the 2021 bike.

The 2021 bike has the Ducati Traction control Evo 3 whereas it’s the Evo 2 traction control on the 20 bike.

[weeksy]

This is the 2020 bike, notice how they state 4 rider modes but list only 3. Clearly a typo.

There are 2 different Race modes, Race A and Race B as well as Sport and Street so thats the 4

That’s on the 21 bike. The 20 bike only has 3, and in the manual for the 20 is states “there are 4 rider modes, Race,sport and road” which is only 3. I expect that from them after the mistake they made with regards to the chain length for the 1299 which was wrongly stated in the owners manual.

I’ve finally got down to the bottom of it and there is a difference for the traction control on the 2021 bike.

The 2021 bike has the Ducati Traction control Evo 3 whereas it’s the Evo 2 traction control on the 20 bike.

It says that in your article from Wed

[wull]

Yeah but had to find something to back it up. That was the first that said anything that was more substantial than “some electronic updates” and the likes.

Some other changes to the dash with regards to the parameters that are displayed and adjusted on the fly and I think that’s it. Oh wait, also has the self bleeding brake and clutch system which was first seen on the V4 Superleggera.

[weeksy]

Yeah but had to find something to back it up. That was the first that said anything that was more substantial than “some electronic updates” and the likes.

Some other changes to the dash with regards to the parameters that are displayed and adjusted on the fly and I think that’s it. Oh wait, also has the self bleeding brake and clutch system which was first seen on the V4 Superleggera.

Elaborate? What's that then?

[Rp1]

It's a system that self bleeds the brake and clutch system

[wull]

[wull]

Not entirely sure what the exact system is but in the videos I hear them say that there is a tank of some sort that collects the air bubbles that form or something along those lines.