Great looking bike, if you squint really hard and just look at the wheels, could almost be a KTM lol
being thick, what does the slipper clutch allow one to do, that you cant on a normal clutch - basically change down and not worry about locking the rear?
I’m not the lightest or slowest bloke and the standard suspension is good enough to win inters with me on it. Yes it’s better once improved but it’s not dangerous.
Couchy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:59 pm
I’m not the lightest or slowest bloke and the standard suspension is good enough to win inters with me on it. Yes it’s better once improved but it’s not dangerous.
Perhaps because you are quicker than the average rider,you are able to ride past any suspension discrepancies,whereas those a little further down the ladder may need all the help they can get?
Couchy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:59 pm
I’m not the lightest or slowest bloke and the standard suspension is good enough to win inters with me on it. Yes it’s better once improved but it’s not dangerous.
Perhaps because you are quicker than the average rider,you are able to ride past any suspension discrepancies,whereas those a little further down the ladder may need all the help they can get?
Probably some truth in it, but I feel a lot of people want a bike that’s doesn’t move ever and if it does move they look for reasons why other than that’s how bikes are they move around the road. Other people then buy into this and all of a sudden a bike like the MT is seen as bad. A few years on a 350ypvs on cross plys would help
There’s also how folk ride. Smooth riding makes everything easier, even simple things like blipping down the gears is smoother than a slipper clutch and upsets the bike less. But rather than ride smoothly and not upset the bikes more budget suspension they go straight for an upgrade, of course nothing wrong with spending we all do it but best to be honest about why
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EVERY bike can improve its suspension, from a C90 to Quatararo's M1.
From something as simple to changing the springs to suit your weight (xsr9 fr'instance) to full Monty set ups with hi/lo speed adjustments.
It's also one of the areas of greatest areas of compromise as the manufacturer has no idea how you ride, how heavy you are, last of the late breakers etc.
There's a good reason Maxton, ktech, ohlins, WP, Wilburs and many other specialists earn good dollar sorting out suspension.
It has been my experience however that Yamaha do seem to get some strange set ups on their ujm bikes for some reason!
Couchy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:59 pm
I’m not the lightest or slowest bloke and the standard suspension is good enough to win inters with me on it. Yes it’s better once improved but it’s not dangerous.
Perhaps because you are quicker than the average rider,you are able to ride past any suspension discrepancies,whereas those a little further down the ladder may need all the help they can get?
Probably some truth in it, but I feel a lot of people want a bike that’s doesn’t move ever and if it does move they look for reasons why other than that’s how bikes are they move around the road. Other people then buy into this and all of a sudden a bike like the MT is seen as bad. A few years on a 350ypvs on cross plys would help
There’s also how folk ride. Smooth riding makes everything easier, even simple things like blipping down the gears is smoother than a slipper clutch and upsets the bike less. But rather than ride smoothly and not upset the bikes more budget suspension they go straight for an upgrade, of course nothing wrong with spending we all do it but best to be honest about why
The above is correct, especially the YPVS bit, I ride round on a 30 odd year old bike with basic damper rod forks, it hasn't tried to kill me yet, in 1985 it was the best handling big bike you could buy, and won a load of races on those basic forks.
Couchy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:57 pm
Probably some truth in it, but I feel a lot of people want a bike that’s doesn’t move ever and if it does move they look for reasons why other than that’s how bikes are they move around the road. Other people then buy into this and all of a sudden a bike like the MT is seen as bad. A few years on a 350ypvs on cross plys would help
There’s also how folk ride. Smooth riding makes everything easier, even simple things like blipping down the gears is smoother than a slipper clutch and upsets the bike less. But rather than ride smoothly and not upset the bikes more budget suspension they go straight for an upgrade, of course nothing wrong with spending we all do it but best to be honest about why
I started riding in the 70s when bikes knew how to wobble and weave,nevertheless and up to a point they could get the job done. In later years with a ZX9R I made the mistake of convincing myself I needed a stiff suspension setup,without understanding I would lose grip and a bit of movement is a very useful indicator! The bike wasn't long in schooling me and these days my favourite word is compliancy.
Demannu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:06 pm
EVERY bike can improve its suspension, from a C90 to Quatararo's M1.
From something as simple to changing the springs to suit your weight (xsr9 fr'instance) to full Monty set ups with hi/lo speed adjustments.
It's also one of the areas of greatest areas of compromise as the manufacturer has no idea how you ride, how heavy you are, last of the late breakers etc.
There's a good reason Maxton, ktech, ohlins, WP, Wilburs and many other specialists earn good dollar sorting out suspension.
It has been my experience however that Yamaha do seem to get some strange set ups on their ujm bikes for some reason!
Totally agree but it’s the folk that say something like the MT07 is rubbish or dangerous that have it wrong. It’s not as good as aftermarket or with the correct springs but it is good enough to use and enjoy
Things like my Fazer 6 and my Z750 used to bounce around all over the shop, I just got used to using the bounce to help me place the bike where I wanted it I'm sure both would have been better with after market suspension but they were fine without.
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