The Self-Driving Vehicles Thread

[wheelnut]

Some years ago I took part in an academic study looking at (what was not called) highway hypnosis. It involved steering a pretend car made of dexion and random components with a projected journey on big screens in front. Not particularly realistic (well it was built by students at Aston Uni) but it seemed to work

Essentially I had to "drive" this thing for about 30 minutes along very boring roads until there as a sudden event and respond accordingly. I must get in touch with them to see what if any results were published.

Another version presented direction signs of varying complexity to see again how long it took for the subject to respond corrctly.

What would be interesting would be to do the same exercise with an autonomous car that sudenly needs driver intervention

[Horse]

Another version presented direction signs of varying complexity to see again how long it took for the subject to respond corrctly.

What would be interesting would be to do the same exercise with an autonomous car that sudenly needs driver intervention

Your, or the other, definition?

[The Spin Doctor]

What would be interesting would be to do the same exercise with an autonomous car that sudenly needs driver intervention

Funnily enough one overtook me - on the left - on the M40 this morning as I was headed out to Oxford for a training course...

Driver had his hands behind his head and looked half asleep. His passenger was peering out the side window.

[Horse]

one

Errr .. one what?

[The Spin Doctor]

one

Errr .. one what?

I suppose more correctly I should have said 'vehicle with various driver aids that makes the person behind the wheel think it can drive itself".

I assume it had lane assist and adaptive cruise control switched on.

It was a Mercedes. That's all I can tell you. No idea about model.

[slowsider]

Oops.

"Toyota has apologised for the “overconfidence” of a self-driving bus after it ran over a Paralympic judoka in the athletes’ village"

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... ed-athlete

[Horse]

Oops.

"Toyota has apologised for the “overconfidence” of a self-driving bus after it ran over a Paralympic judoka in the athletes’ village"

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... ed-athlete

Odd note in another report:

There was a security personnel present to direct traffic at the crosswalk when the accident occurred.

Almost suggesting that a detection/stop system had been overridden.

[Horse]

And you're worried about defensive automated vehicles? Nah, you might need to worry when they go on the offensive

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambl ... 8b650d21fa

A Russian combat robot is breaking new ground in autonomy, patrolling without human assistance, navigating its way across a 100-kilomter route and working with a swarm of drones. The new demonstrations, which were announced by the State-owned RIA Novosti news service last week, may look like me-too achievements in terms of competing with the West. Unlike the U.S. though, Russia puts its robots into the field, and the technology is likely to be used sooner rather than later.

The Marker unmanned ground vehicle (UGV) is being developed by Russia’s equivalent of DARPA, the Foundation for Advanced Studies (FPI). It is armed with a 7.62mm machine gun and a pair of guided anti-tank missiles

[Horse]

If anyone is interested, I think the UK equivalent is 'Project Theseus'. It's top secret, so just Google for info.

[KungFooBob]

And you're worried about defensive automated vehicles? Nah, you might need to worry when they go on the offensive

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambl ... 8b650d21fa

A Russian combat robot is breaking new ground in autonomy, patrolling without human assistance, navigating its way across a 100-kilomter route and working with a swarm of drones. The new demonstrations, which were announced by the State-owned RIA Novosti news service last week, may look like me-too achievements in terms of competing with the West. Unlike the U.S. though, Russia puts its robots into the field, and the technology is likely to be used sooner rather than later.

The Marker unmanned ground vehicle (UGV) is being developed by Russia’s equivalent of DARPA, the Foundation for Advanced Studies (FPI). It is armed with a 7.62mm machine gun and a pair of guided anti-tank missiles

It's only a matter of time...

[Mussels]

No amount of bleating about Robocop in the west will stop Russia and China using them.

[slowsider]

No amount of bleating about Robocop in the west will stop Russia and China using them.

Nor the US.

[Count Steer]

It only appears to be autonomous in terms of movement. I assume there's still a bloke in a bunker doing target selection and authorising the trigger pulling. Still, it's one step nearer one army of machines fights another army of machines. War as a computer game...they'll be recruiting spotty yoofs instead of muscular lunkheads.

[slowsider]

It only appears to be autonomous in terms of movement. I assume there's still a bloke in a bunker doing target selection and authorising the trigger pulling.

I don't think autonomous cars choose the destination

[Horse]

There are systems which can identify gunfire and locate its origin (IIRC Manchester city [not the footy team] had some, but they didn't work). Combine that with something that knows where the home team squaddies are and an infrared 'body' detection then it's 'only' innocent civvies to worry about

[Horse]

It only appears to be autonomous in terms of movement. I assume there's still a bloke in a bunker doing target selection and authorising the trigger pulling.

I don't think autonomous cars choose the destination

Someone pointed out that a truly autonomous car might say "It's a nice day. Sod it, I'm off to the seaside".

[Mussels]

It only appears to be autonomous in terms of movement. I assume there's still a bloke in a bunker doing target selection and authorising the trigger pulling. Still, it's one step nearer one army of machines fights another army of machines. War as a computer game...they'll be recruiting spotty yoofs instead of muscular lunkheads.

Target selection and engagement has been automatic for decades, people just can't react quickly enough to incoming threats. Static targets are a bit different but still a problem when you come round a corner to find an ambush ready and waiting, I suspect all an operator will do is select a destination and have a manual override on the weapons. That is until the secret corporate programming changes it's primary directive and it goes haywire.

[Horse]

GDS gunshot detection systems

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[Horse]

From informal contact with people in the US, it's more likely to be what they call 'D drivers': drunk, drugged, drowsy and distracted.

With 41 fatal collisions (I haven't heard of a single collision with multiple fatalities), you have to wonder how many collisions occur.

Up to 46 now, equalling the whole of 2020.

[Horse]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/23/elon-mu ... great.html

Elon Musk says Tesla’s latest beta self-driving software is ‘not great’