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I’ve just taken a photo at an outside wine tasting.

Trouble is there was no sun and so it’s not possible to see the label on the wine bottle

Is anyone able to lighten just the label?

Hopefully the sun will come out when it’s quieter and I can take a photo in better conditions, but in case not 😬😬

Three photos in various focus, the wine bottles with visible labels and the wine

As a non wine drinker, it’s bloody lovely!!


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The sun is hidden behind cloud, but outside lighting is still directional. Turn the bottles etc round through 180 degrees, or whatever is necessary to point them to where the sun is (albeit behind a cloud), and the label should become visible.

Alternatively, employ fill-in flash. If your camera has a built-in flash (most do these days) just pop it up and fire away. The results may not be perfect (the flash may overpower the natural light) but you should be able to see the labels.

There's also the problem that the large areas of snow are 'fooling' the camera's exposure meter into thinking the whole scene is lighter/brighter than it really is. It's exposing for the snow, not the bottle labels. Flash should balance it out - give it a try.
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mangocrazy wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:23 pm The sun is hidden behind cloud, but outside lighting is still directional. Turn the bottles etc round through 180 degrees, or whatever is necessary to point them to where the sun is (albeit behind a cloud), and the label should become visible.

Alternatively, employ fill-in flash. If your camera has a built-in flash (most do these days) just pop it up and fire away. The results may not be perfect (the flash may overpower the natural light) but you should be able to see the labels.

There's also the problem that the large areas of snow are 'fooling' the camera's exposure meter into thinking the whole scene is lighter/brighter than it really is. It's exposing for the snow, not the bottle labels. Flash should balance it out - give it a try.
I originally had it set up the ‘right way’ (would have got the cafes sign and window in) but there were too many people in the way so I turned it around. Only had a couple of mins before people got in the way and forgot about the flash :roll: (rarely use it!!). Hence trying to see if anyone can fix it.

If I get the opportunity I will try and redo with the right directions but I think the place will only get busier, so will be difficult :( :(
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Noggin wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:41 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:23 pm The sun is hidden behind cloud, but outside lighting is still directional. Turn the bottles etc round through 180 degrees, or whatever is necessary to point them to where the sun is (albeit behind a cloud), and the label should become visible.

Alternatively, employ fill-in flash. If your camera has a built-in flash (most do these days) just pop it up and fire away. The results may not be perfect (the flash may overpower the natural light) but you should be able to see the labels.

There's also the problem that the large areas of snow are 'fooling' the camera's exposure meter into thinking the whole scene is lighter/brighter than it really is. It's exposing for the snow, not the bottle labels. Flash should balance it out - give it a try.
I originally had it set up the ‘right way’ (would have got the cafes sign and window in) but there were too many people in the way so I turned it around. Only had a couple of mins before people got in the way and forgot about the flash :roll: (rarely use it!!). Hence trying to see if anyone can fix it.

If I get the opportunity I will try and redo with the right directions but I think the place will only get busier, so will be difficult :( :(
I'd try the flash first, only takes a second or so, and gives you an idea if you're on the right track. Fill-in flash is really useful in that kind of situation.
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mangocrazy wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:44 pm
I'd try the flash first, only takes a second or so, and gives you an idea if you're on the right track. Fill-in flash is really useful in that kind of situation.
I would but there ar too many people here now to set it up ☹️☹️
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Not a lot I can do, if daughter was home I'd have her throw photoshop at it, but she's trotting around Dublin.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/RTnn516bx1pzeBQK8

download that, throw it and another photo into paint and copy over the light bits you want
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Noggin wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:59 pm Is anyone able to lighten just the label?
This any use?
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ChrisW wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:38 pm
Noggin wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:59 pm Is anyone able to lighten just the label?
This any use?
That's brilliant, thank you. I know it was a shit photo, so that's brilliant to just give it a bit more :D :D
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Noggin wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:54 pm That's brilliant, thank you. I know it was a shit photo, so that's brilliant to just give it a bit more :D :D
Ace.

Here's a WeTransfer link to the full-size file, was too big to post directly here.

https://we.tl/t-Mk3Z7rVyJC
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ChrisW wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:57 pm
Noggin wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 6:54 pm That's brilliant, thank you. I know it was a shit photo, so that's brilliant to just give it a bit more :D :D
Ace.

Here's a WeTransfer link to the full-size file, was too big to post directly here.

https://we.tl/t-Mk3Z7rVyJC
Thank you. I think it's only for things like Instagram, but appreciate the link :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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I’ve added some light to the bottle 👍

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Couchy wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:09 pm I’ve added some light to the bottle 👍

Not like you to be funny :obscene-birdiedoublered:
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Yorick wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:10 pm
Couchy wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:09 pm I’ve added some light to the bottle 👍

Not like you to be funny :obscene-birdiedoublered:
One of those light bulb moments one assumes :obscene-birdiedoublered:
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Its much easier to fix under exposed areas than over exposed ones. I recommend Paint Shop pro but most editors have something similar to the "adjust fill light/clarity" tool.

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Couchy wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:09 pm I’ve added some light to the bottle 👍

That’s brightened my morning 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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I'm sure it's a hangover from film photography, but it's always easier if you get stuff right at the taking stage rather than trying to fix it at the post-processing stage. If your exposure is correct for the scene (or close to it) there's less post-processing involved and there is more information in the image to work with. Highlight detail (as mentioned) is a case in point - once that's blown out it's not coming back, because there's nothing to retrieve. Shadow detail is more likely to still be there to retrieve, but even then there are limits.
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mangocrazy wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:47 pm I'm sure it's a hangover from film photography, but it's always easier if you get stuff right at the taking stage rather than trying to fix it at the post-processing stage. If your exposure is correct for the scene (or close to it) there's less post-processing involved and there is more information in the image to work with. Highlight detail (as mentioned) is a case in point - once that's blown out it's not coming back, because there's nothing to retrieve. Shadow detail is more likely to still be there to retrieve, but even then there are limits.
100% right. I was rushing far too much and actually didn't expect him to want the photos!! LOL I normally do my best to do it right at the taking part :D
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