revtothelimit - motorbike forum

One thing that came up when trying to sort out the claim for the guy running in to the back of my aprilia is whether I had any camera evidence. The inference was that if I had footage of the guy running in to me then it would have been sorted out more quickly. I don’t think there’s any doubt over culpability as my aprilia doesn’t have the ability to reverse in to a Honda civic at speed but the suggestion was that the footage would have helped.

In my case a front facing go pro wouldn’t have helped so does anyone run permanently fixed dash cams on their bike and if so which ones? Thanks

Yes, but forward facing only, although they do 2 camera systems

https://innovv.co.uk/

I've always been a little sceptical about these things, as much as they're useful for the reason you suggest, they can also be confiscated by the 5-0 if you've been a bit naughty and used as evidence.

On a typical journey I'm far more likely to ride like a cock that get hit by a car.

Swings and roundabouts innit.

I've got an AliExpress special (MotoCam T2) on my ST1050 - diddy cameras front and rear with a small recording unit in the glovebox bit, also has GPS overlay.
Dirt cheap for what they are and the quality is pretty good. Was on the bike when I purchased it 4 years ago - doubt I'd have fitted one but I can see it's plus points.

I have front & rear dashcams on my SV650 & Street Triple.I think they're VSYSTO,have a look on YouTube for the reiews & set up.
There's plenty for sale on Ebay & Amazon.
I bought them in 2020,after having a near miss with a utter idiot on a pushbike.
I'm not sure what the latest versions are like,have a look online.

I've had the innovv front and rear cameras fitted for 4 years, GPS switched off so that it doesn't record speed.

This is a vid that I did when I first fitted them, note the time, 16:30 on the 27th Dec, it was darker than it looked

Taff wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 9:24 am GPS switched off so that it doesn't record speed.

Ahem.

White centreline markings are set sizes, so can be used to measure distance.

Video is a set number of frames per second.

From these two, it would be a simple task to determine your speed.

e.g. miles per hour & metres per second

Horse wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 10:13 am

Taff wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 9:24 am GPS switched off so that it doesn't record speed.

Ahem.

White centreline markings are set sizes, so can be used to measure distance.

Video is a set number of frames per second.

From these two, it would be a simple task to determine your speed.

e.g. miles per hour & metres per second

Meh, as you can see by the boring video I don't do silly speed anyway so if someone really wants to go to the effort of proving that the video clock is accurate enough to be able to determine that I'm doing 65 in a 60, they can crack on.

Horse wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 10:13 am

Taff wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 9:24 am GPS switched off so that it doesn't record speed.

Ahem.

White centreline markings are set sizes, so can be used to measure distance.

Video is a set number of frames per second.

From these two, it would be a simple task to determine your speed.

e.g. miles per hour & metres per second

Can that be used from your own footage as oppose to CCTV or footage or cam footage from the police itself? Because they can’t determine whether the footage is legit or sped up or slowed down etc etc.

I think if you get stopped by the police a lot then it's a worry but I haven't been stopped in all the time I'm riding. They're not going to randomly ask for your films.

wull wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 10:41 am

Horse wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 10:13 am

Taff wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 9:24 am GPS switched off so that it doesn't record speed.

Ahem.

White centreline markings are set sizes, so can be used to measure distance.

Video is a set number of frames per second.

From these two, it would be a simple task to determine your speed.

e.g. miles per hour & metres per second

Can that be used from your own footage as oppose to CCTV or footage or cam footage from the police itself? Because they can’t determine whether the footage is legit or sped up or slowed down etc etc.

I suppose if they get the data card straight out of the camera unit then they have the 'raw' footage, but in reality, the police must be investigating a serious incident for them to go to that sort of effort. it is possible to position the camera's so that they are pretty discreet and not that easy to spot.

I’m just thinking along the lines of that old argument “where’s the certificate showing when it was last calibrated” with regards to any of their equipment used for speeding.

wull wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 10:48 am I’m just thinking along the lines of that old argument “where’s the certificate showing when it was last calibrated” with regards to any of their equipment used for speeding.

I guess that if you land up in court for riding like a twat, then the footage shows mile after mile of speed, dodgy overtakes, wheelies, pissing about with your mates etc, then it could be used to show the manner of your riding rather than focusing just on the speed aspect,

I've got no evidence to support this but my gut feel is that I'd be more likely to be convicted from someone else's dashcam footage if they complained than any that I had recorded.

Taff wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 10:54 am

wull wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 10:48 am I’m just thinking along the lines of that old argument “where’s the certificate showing when it was last calibrated” with regards to any of their equipment used for speeding.

I guess that if you land up in court for riding like a twat, then the footage shows mile after mile of speed, dodgy overtakes, wheelies, pissing about with your mates etc, then it could be used to show the manner of your riding rather than focusing just on the speed aspect,

If it’s blatantly obvious, but if it boiled down to all you had to rely on was calculating the time taken between white lines then it boils down to how reliable the footage itself is and whether or not they can prove that it’s real time etc.

Prompted by this thread I've just ordered one

wull wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 10:41 am

Horse wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 10:13 am

Taff wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 9:24 am GPS switched off so that it doesn't record speed.

Ahem.

White centreline markings are set sizes, so can be used to measure distance.

Video is a set number of frames per second.

From these two, it would be a simple task to determine your speed.

e.g. miles per hour & metres per second

Can that be used from your own footage as oppose to CCTV or footage or cam footage from the police itself? Because they can’t determine whether the footage is legit or sped up or slowed down etc etc.

If a serious collision, they would confiscate your memory card at the scene, so you would have no opportunity to edit the footage.

Horse wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 12:29 pm If a serious collision, they would confiscate your memory card at the scene, so you would have no opportunity to edit the footage.

This was our worry when our group ride was involved in a serious accident - three riders hurt, two of them able to ride home whilst one was taken to hospital. Air ambulance attended though not needed. A lot of resource for an afternoon. Bike 5 ran into 4 and then cannoned into 3. Bike 4 had a front facing dashcam.

Cops didn't ask for the footage but then I don't think they noticed the dashcam. Cops were also very pragmatic that the injured parties were friends and would sort it out themselves. The footage wouldn't have shown much controversial in fairness, a bit of speeding on overtakes but behaving ourselves for the most part. The offending bike was a Burgman 400 which only just touched 70mph with a tail wind and a tow.

Horse wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 12:29 pm

wull wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 10:41 am

Horse wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 10:13 am

Ahem.

White centreline markings are set sizes, so can be used to measure distance.

Video is a set number of frames per second.

From these two, it would be a simple task to determine your speed.

e.g. miles per hour & metres per second

Can that be used from your own footage as oppose to CCTV or footage or cam footage from the police itself? Because they can’t determine whether the footage is legit or sped up or slowed down etc etc.

If a serious collision, they would confiscate your memory card at the scene, so you would have no opportunity to edit the footage.

They'd need a full imperial tool kit to get at mine, assuming the bike isn't broken in half, at which point I doubt I'm in any state to give a monkeys.

Had a little GoPro cube camera but I think the wife threw it out by mistake. I got fed up with having to keep charging it etc. I like the idea of a hard wired twin camera set up, but , well y'know...