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As someone who passed their test in 1979 I've never seen this type of event.Can you do this training over here?

Some of the IAM groups may run those type of sessions.

Thanks I'll have a look.

Bustaspoke wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 9:02 am someone who passed their test in 1979

On RAC/ACU & BMF-RTS days, when everything was more relaxed, we had a session called 'fun & forget' where we ignored all of the usual syllabus stuff.

Two main elements:

First was a longer ride out into the countryside, lanes, etc (one little road - now obliterated by a massive housing estate - went through a farmyard, often with free-range chickens as a slalom)

Second was machine control, including:
- slow race
- see-saw
- tennis ball carried between cones

Oh - youtube for Jerry Paladino

He's a US ex-'motorcop' who specialises in machine control exercises.

Save you a few seconds:
https://youtube.com/@motorman857

Horse wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 7:46 pm Oh - youtube for Jerry Paladino

He's a US ex-'motorcop' who specialises in machine control exercises.

Thanks for posting,I've seen the Jerry Paladino stuff before,in fact watching his channel made me wonder if there was something similar over here.

Bustaspoke wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:06 pm

Horse wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 7:46 pm Oh - youtube for Jerry Paladino

He's a US ex-'motorcop' who specialises in machine control exercises.

Thanks for posting,I've seen the Jerry Paladino stuff before,in fact watching his channel made me wonder if there was something similar over here.

In 1994 I qualified as an instructor (aka 'RiderCoach') with the US Motorcycle Safety Foundation. Subsequently incorporated some of that, similar to JP's, into my training.

@Beancounter is probably the only person here who endured / enjoyed it


We were able to put 75 uk riders through US training (on USAF bases), up until most of them closed.

TVAM (Thames Valley IAM) Subsequently took part of the MSF training to create their 'Look Lean Roll', but I don't know how bastardised / 'Chinese Whispers' it's got in the intervening 28 years.

Horse wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 11:03 pm

@Beancounter is probably the only person here who endured / enjoyed it

I loved it and the car park stuff in particular *really* helped my riding.

For those not familiar with my riding history, nine months prior to training with Horse I had high-sided on a Surrey Scramble ride out (@Rockburner might still have some video footage). I was bruised but otherwise uninjured and able to continue the ride. My riding thereafter went completely to pot, target fixating on everything. Stubbornly/arrogantly I thought I could ride myself 'better' but my other half thought and knew differently. The car park training with Horse pretty much sorted that out. Shame @Horse isn't doing it any more.

Beancounter wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 5:19 pm

Horse wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 11:03 pm

@Beancounter is probably the only person here who endured / enjoyed it

I loved it and the car park stuff in particular *really* helped my riding.

For those not familiar with my riding history, nine months prior to training with Horse I had high-sided on a Surrey Scramble ride out (@Rockburner might still have some video footage).

Dodgy rear shock that was Beany.

I did some car park work with Spin in the Lake District and with John Taylor of Rapid and I still reckon that feet-up, tight manoeuvres are as much, if not more, of a riding skill than twist and hang on.

Count Steer wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 5:36 pm

Beancounter wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 5:19 pm

Horse wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2023 11:03 pm
@Beancounter is probably the only person here who endured / enjoyed it

I loved it and the car park stuff in particular *really* helped my riding.

I still reckon that feet-up, tight manoeuvres are as much, if not more, of a riding skill than twist and hang on.

The stuff we covered wasn't all slippy clutch wibblywobbly, although we might have started there and built up ...

... To higher speed (1st/2nd gear, clutch fully engaged, cornering exercises.

Car park stuff doesn't have to be boring.

Horse wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 5:53 pm

Count Steer wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 5:36 pm

Beancounter wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 5:19 pm

I loved it and the car park stuff in particular *really* helped my riding.

I still reckon that feet-up, tight manoeuvres are as much, if not more, of a riding skill than twist and hang on.

The stuff we covered wasn't all slippy clutch wibblywobbly, although we might have started there and built up ...

... To higher speed (1st/2nd gear, clutch fully engaged, cornering exercises.

Car park stuff doesn't have to be boring.

lean1.jpg

look.jpg

It wasn't all wibblywobbly! Spin put cones out in figure of 8 type thing and you needed a rhythm...then he made the figure of 8 smaller...and smaller

(The Rapid thing however, was in a station car park the size of a handkerchief).

Count Steer wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 6:32 pm

Horse wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 5:53 pm To higher speed (1st/2nd gear, clutch fully engaged, cornering exercises.

It wasn't all wibblywobbly! Spin put cones out in figure of 8 type thing and you needed a rhythm...then he made the figure of 8 smaller...and smaller

Still not really a comparison. Think 2nd gear U-turns, rider not knowing where the exit is until just before turning in.

Horse wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 8:13 pm

Count Steer wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 6:32 pm

Horse wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 5:53 pm To higher speed (1st/2nd gear, clutch fully engaged, cornering exercises.

It wasn't all wibblywobbly! Spin put cones out in figure of 8 type thing and you needed a rhythm...then he made the figure of 8 smaller...and smaller

Still not really a comparison. Think 2nd gear U-turns, rider not knowing where the exit is until just before turning in.

Not sure what you mean by 'not a comparison'.

I start with fast-ish manoeuvres where the clutch isn't needed, even use a higher gear, then slow down. It's easier to work that way with someone who's a bit worried about dropping the bike. Most exercises where trainers start slow actually start TOO slow so the bike has no dynamic balance - that's a good way to make things complicated. Start fast, slow down and tighten up as the rider gets to feel what the bike's doing.

The Spin Doctor wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 12:25 pm Not sure what you mean by 'not a comparison'.

Have a look at the pics that I posted earlier. If that's what you were achieving, fair enough.

Beancounter was accompanied by Diablo. I think it was her who commented on the differences between her session with you and mine.

Although, to be fair, that rider was more extreme than most and it made for good images for Ride to publish.

I think I only ever did a short cornering course with Diablo... it was mostly about slowing her down into and mid-bend to give her more time to plan her line around and out of a corner. By stopping her hurrying into bends, she ended up being more organised and a lot quicker through them with less last-minute braking and big lean angles.

Count Steer wrote: Thu May 04, 2023 5:36 pm
Dodgy rear shock that was Beany.

Never bought that brand again. To be fair, never fecked around with a shock since then either.

The Spin Doctor wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 7:14 pm I think I only ever did a short cornering course with Diablo... it was mostly about slowing her down into and mid-bend to give her more time to plan her line around and out of a corner. By stopping her hurrying into bends, she ended up being more organised and a lot quicker through them with less last-minute braking and big lean angles.

Slow in, fast out?

Rockburner wrote: Tue May 09, 2023 12:43 pm Slow in, fast out?

And cautiously round

Wait for the exit to appear, THEN open up!