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Intelligent Speed Assistance is arriving for cars. Does this research mean more safety electronics or the thin edge of the wedge?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36026461/

Dunno, what's your thoughts?

No, not in the next dozen years at least

I'll be done by the time it happens,if it happens.




Just realised I've posted in SA.

*Runs away screaming.

Skub wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:19 am I'll be done by the time it happens,if it happens.




Just realised I've posted in SA.

*Runs away screaming.

Shouldn't this section have an image of the Bee Gees as its avatar?

Surely:

@weeksy - make it so. Please...

mangocrazy wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:28 am @weeksy - make it so. Please...

Yeah, like that'll encourage more people in

slowsider wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:43 am

mangocrazy wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:28 am @weeksy - make it so. Please...

Yeah, like that'll encourage more people in

I doubt you've ever contributed to the Jokes thread...

mangocrazy wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:53 am

slowsider wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:43 am

mangocrazy wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:28 am @weeksy - make it so. Please...

Yeah, like that'll encourage more people in

I doubt you've ever contributed to the Jokes thread...

Nor you to the irony one.

ChrisW wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:16 amSurely:

SA having a theme song. Who'da thunk it!

Actually, ISA is already here and has been since Wednesday 6 July. It was green lighted by the European Parliament on 16 April 2019, and AFAIK, the UK government intends to move it into UK law too, though whether the Zombie Government managed that, I don't know. Currently fitted to new ranges, it will be a fitment on all new cars in a couple of years.

A mix of GPS and speed limit recognition cameras determines the speed limit. If the car is above the limit a visual alert flashes and a warning sounds and the car decelerates to match.

There seems to be quite a lot of disinformation around on what ISA consists of - for example, parkers.co.uk claims that if the driver doesn't slow down the ISA will "take control of the brakes and apply them until the car is complying with the speed limit".

As I understand it that is 100% incorrect, and at no time will the brakes be applied. My understanding is that the system operates by reducing engine power so the vehicle slows gently. As the ISA comes into play, the accelerator pedal is said to become unresponsive.

Right now, the ISA system approved by the EU can be overridden by firmly pressing the accelerator but the warnings continue.

Right now the system should be ‘default on’ and active every time the car is started, but there is a facility to turn it off. I believe that option is likely to be removed in 2024.

How accurate is it? ADAC, a German drivers organisation, found that the ISA system on the Ford S-Max, launched in 2015, was accurate for around 90% of the time. In 2018, Mobileye, a supplier of traffic sign recognition and ISA systems, told a European Parliament workshop that the best systems have an accuracy rate of 95% in most EU countries.

Is that good enough? In my opinion, no. If I missed 10% of speed limit signs when riding, I doubt I'd keep a clean licence for long. It'll be interesting when someone attempts to defend a speeding conviction on the grounds that the car was going too fast, not them!

Can it move to bikes?

Since it doesn't actually apply the brakes unlike the systems tested in the UK 20-odd years ago did - someone I know rode the testbed machine and described it as a pretty unnerving experience when the brakes suddenly came on mid-corner as the bike passed a 30 sign - I don't see why it couldn't. Right now, the EMS of modern bikes would be fairly easy to adapt. Since new bikes will be electric in a few years, it'll be even easier I would have thought.

The Spin Doctor wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:04 pm
A mix of GPS and speed limit recognition cameras determines the speed limit. If the car is above the limit a visual alert flashes and a warning sounds and the car decelerates to match.

That's going to be interesting. Are they going to fit GPSs (and update them frequently) to all new vehicles? Current trend seems to be not to fit them and you link to the mapping/routing software of your choice on your mobile (which does/can be updated frequently).

Got a car with speed limit recognition and it frequently misses a change in limit due to pants signage at the start of an area and lack of repeaters. They're going to have to check all that and keep them free of vegetation too.

Can't see them 'taking control' of a vehicle and certainly not preventing override of the system, eg by a positive press on the accelerator, until that's all sorted. Some form of it will come though but bikes are probably some years off. (Can't see them fitting all the kit and controls to basic commuter bikes for a while).

Count Steer wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:18 pm That's going to be interesting. Are they going to fit GPSs (and update them frequently) to all new vehicles? Current trend seems to be not to fit them and you link to the mapping/routing software of your choice on your mobile (which does/can be updated frequently).

In short, yes. It's going to be a requirement for the mandatory eCall emergency calling system in the EU.

Since many new cars already come fitted with a forward-facing camera, required for technologies such as lane guidance and automated emergency braking, and most have manually set speed limitation functions, automating this feature shouldn't be too much of a problem, nor that expensive.

Got a car with speed limit recognition and it frequently misses a change in limit due to pants signage at the start of an area and lack of repeaters. They're going to have to check all that and keep them free of vegetation too.

Can't see them 'taking control' of a vehicle and certainly not preventing override of the system, eg by a positive press on the accelerator, until that's all sorted. Some form of it will come though but bikes are probably some years off. (Can't see them fitting all the kit and controls to basic commuter bikes for a while).

That consistency is the problem. There's a junction just a few hundred metres from here that is missing a pair of speed limit signs to tell you you're entering a 20 limit. The council changed the limit a few months back and have put up 20 repeaters by mistake. It took me a couple of days to figure out exactly what had happened!

So, Big Brother has arrived for cars and is coming for bikes before long.

It would be better if they focused on using cars’ forward-facing cameras to reduce tailgating.

Count Steer wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:18 pm Got a car with speed limit recognition and it frequently misses a change in limit due to pants signage at the start of an area and lack of repeaters.

The GPS alternative ain't no better in my experience.
Around these parts we have several 30 limit roads that parallel national limit roads, it was the bane of my life when daughters car was fitted with a black box as I was forever having to go into their system and manually tell it that no she wasn't doing 60 on a 30 road she really was on a 60 road.

Hot_Air wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 6:09 pm is coming for bikes before long.

Nah, given the current state of technology and the current crop of motorcyclists organisations I still don't see it happening soon.

If and when ISA does arrive for bikes (and I think it will be decades off, if at all), then I predict a massive spike in registrations on new bikes in the model year before it is made compulsory. And a sharp rise in secondhand values...

MrLongbeard wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 6:30 pm Nah, given … the current crop of motorcyclists organisations I still don't see it happening soon.

Technology issues aside, do we know if the BMF or MAG is doing anything about it?