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Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 1:37 pm**

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/self ... oad-safety

According to a government announcement on Friday 19th it is suggested that the Government will allow some vehicles including cars, coaches and lorries with self-driving features to operate on motorways in the next year and could see self driving vehicles on all roads by 2025. The government is backing these plans with £100millon to prioritise safety through new laws.

Considering the vehicle industry is aware that cyclists and motorcycles and not adequately detected by these self drive systems and that the industry does not expect to conduct further testing and development until 2023 how do can they justify this as a safety improvement if it put motorcyclists at greater risk.

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:40 pm**

Govts care about money, popularity, money, UK industry, money, headlines, money, and money. Safety is about 27th on the list, and in % terms, barely visible.

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:42 pm**

God help us...

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 3:41 pm**

I bet the owners of Eddie Stobarts will be all over this.

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 3:59 pm**

exportman wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 1:37 pm [/url]

the industry does not expect to conduct further testing and development until 2023

'The industry'?

What all of it? Where did they state that?

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:50 pm**

Dodgy knees wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:42 pm God help us...

Fat chance, he's on an autonomous donkey driving into Jerusalem.

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:05 pm**

slowsider wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:50 pm
Dodgy knees wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:42 pm God help us...
Fat chance, he's on an autonomous donkey driving into Jerusalem.

Other gods are available, but AFAIK none have any experience of driving motor vehicles.

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:09 pm**

Cousin Jack wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:05 pm
slowsider wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:50 pm
Dodgy knees wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:42 pm God help us...
Fat chance, he's on an autonomous donkey driving into Jerusalem.
Other gods are available, but AFAIK none have any experience of driving motor vehicles.

Krishna is coming to get you on his juggernaut.

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:32 pm**

Just at a time when lots of manufacturers are backing away from autonomous development as it was going nowhere fast. Government are on the ball as usual.

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:41 pm**

wheelnut wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:32 pm Just at a time when lots of manufacturers are backing away from autonomous development as it was going nowhere fast. Government are on the ball as usual.

It's ok, the Government have a cunning plan. Self driving stuff has major problems with pedestrians, cyclists and motorcycles. They will allow them on motorways only, peds and cycles are banned from motorways. All they need to do is ban motorcycles too.

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:05 pm**

Cousin Jack wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:41 pm It's ok, the Government have a cunning plan. Self driving stuff has major problems with pedestrians, cyclists and motorcycles. They will allow them on motorways only, peds and cycles are banned from motorways. All they need to do is ban motorcycles too.

On the ball, there. Apart from these being tested amongst cyclists and pedestrians 5 or 6 years ago:

https://trl.co.uk/projects/gateway-project/

Of course, technology has moved on only slightly since then ...

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:36 pm**

wheelnut wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:32 pm Just at a time when lots of manufacturers are backing away from autonomous development as it was going nowhere fast. Government are on the ball as usual.

Although Elon is upping the cost of FSD by 25%...

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:37 pm**

Horse wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:05 pm
Cousin Jack wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:41 pm It's ok, the Government have a cunning plan. Self driving stuff has major problems with pedestrians, cyclists and motorcycles. They will allow them on motorways only, peds and cycles are banned from motorways. All they need to do is ban motorcycles too.
On the ball, there. Apart from these being tested amongst cyclists and pedestrians 5 or 6 years ago:

https://trl.co.uk/projects/gateway-project/

Of course, technology has moved on only slightly since then ...

I remember reading an article by someone testing the FSD Tesla. He said it still makes all the same mistakes, it just makes them a lot more confidently.

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:39 pm**

slowsider wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:36 pm
wheelnut wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:32 pm Just at a time when lots of manufacturers are backing away from autonomous development as it was going nowhere fast. Government are on the ball as usual.
Although Elon is upping the cost of FSD by 25%...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/21/elon-mu ... ember.html

The electric vehicle maker is also rolling out a new version of its FSD Beta software, version 10.69, which allows everyday drivers to test new driver assistance system features on public roads before they are fully debugged.

What could possibly go wrong ... ?

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:40 pm**

wheelnut wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:37 pm
Horse wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:05 pm
Cousin Jack wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:41 pm It's ok, the Government have a cunning plan. Self driving stuff has major problems with pedestrians, cyclists and motorcycles. They will allow them on motorways only, peds and cycles are banned from motorways. All they need to do is ban motorcycles too.
On the ball, there. Apart from these being tested amongst cyclists and pedestrians 5 or 6 years ago:

https://trl.co.uk/projects/gateway-project/

Of course, technology has moved on only slightly since then ...
I remember reading an article by someone testing the FSD Tesla. He said it still makes all the same mistakes, it just makes them a lot more confidently.

See? They're teaching the AI to be over-confident, just like humans

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:41 pm**

Horse wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:39 pm
slowsider wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:36 pm
wheelnut wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:32 pm Just at a time when lots of manufacturers are backing away from autonomous development as it was going nowhere fast. Government are on the ball as usual.
Although Elon is upping the cost of FSD by 25%...
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/21/elon-mu ... ember.html

The electric vehicle maker is also rolling out a new version of its FSD Beta software, version 10.69, which allows everyday drivers to test new driver assistance system features on public roads before they are fully debugged.

What could possibly go wrong ... ?

Small kids are quaking.

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:57 pm**

slowsider wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:41 pm
Horse wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:39 pm
slowsider wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:36 pm

Although Elon is upping the cost of FSD by 25%...
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/21/elon-mu ... ember.html

The electric vehicle maker is also rolling out a new version of its FSD Beta software, version 10.69, which allows everyday drivers to test new driver assistance system features on public roads before they are fully debugged.

What could possibly go wrong ... ?
Small kids are quaking.

Time for a remake?

Stop
Look for Teslas
Do you feel lucky?

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:20 pm**

exportman wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 1:37 pm https://www.gov.uk/government/news/self ... oad-safety

According to a government announcement on Friday 19th it is suggested that the Government will allow some vehicles including cars, coaches and lorries with self-driving features to operate on motorways in the next year and could see self driving vehicles on all roads by 2025. The government is backing these plans with £100millon to prioritise safety through new laws.

Considering the vehicle industry is aware that cyclists and motorcycles and not adequately detected by these self drive systems and that the industry does not expect to conduct further testing and development until 2023 how do can they justify this as a safety improvement if it put motorcyclists at greater risk.

From the article: "This enables the UK to take full advantage of the emerging market of self-driving vehicles – which could create up to 38,000 jobs and could be worth an estimated £42 billion." Numbers like that probably assume all of these vehicles will be made in the UK. Yeah, right. There are also a hell of a lot of 'coulds' and 'woulds' and 'mights' in there. Probably just Shapps puffing out his chest again.

Posted: **Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:57 pm**

I heard a few years ago that Ford (either US or international) were putting half of their R&D budget into this area.

There is already a huge spend in the UK on it. IIRC, Nissan have built a research facility in the UK.

Example of funding available:

https://apply-for-innovation-funding.se ... 9/overview

Commercialising Connected and Automated Mobility: Deployments
UK registered organisations can apply for a share of up to £40 million of CCAV competition funding, supporting new automated transport service projects.

Competition opens: Monday 23 May 2022
Competition closes: Wednesday 17 August 2022

Posted: **Wed Aug 24, 2022 7:34 am**

slowsider wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:41 pm
Horse wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:39 pm
slowsider wrote: Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:36 pm

Although Elon is upping the cost of FSD by 25%...
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/21/elon-mu ... ember.html

The electric vehicle maker is also rolling out a new version of its FSD Beta software, version 10.69, which allows everyday drivers to test new driver assistance system features on public roads before they are fully debugged.

What could possibly go wrong ... ?
Small kids are quaking.

Especially those with parents who drive Teslas?

https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproj ... oving-cars

This month, a software CEO called Dan O’Dowd, who is hellbent on trying to ban Tesla’s “full self-driving” programme, launched an ad campaign claiming that if you put a Tesla in this mode it will mow down children. He based this assertion on a test he ran using a child-sized mannequin dressed in a safety vest, which came to a sticky end in the middle of a road in California.

Musk’s fans, who will not tolerate any criticism of the billionaire, immediately took issue with O’Dowd’s assertions and decided to conduct their own tests – using a real child.

“Is there anyone in the Bay Area with a child who can run in front of my car on Full Self-Driving Beta to make a point? I promise I won’t run them over …” tweeted Omar Qazi, a Tesla shareholder and prominent Musk fan, adding: “(This is a serious request).” Rather than talking some sense into the guy, his followers eagerly engaged; a day after his initial tweet, Qazi announced that he had found a volunteer. “They just have to convince their wife,” he added.

The volunteer appears to have been a Tesla investor called Tad Park, who proceeded to direct a Model 3 Tesla at 8mph towards one of his children. The car, which was in self-driving mode, slowed down and didn’t strike his kid. Hurrah! Park filmed the entire thing and uploaded it to YouTube. It has since been removed because, as a YouTube spokesperson told CNBC last week, the social platform “doesn’t allow content showing a minor participating in dangerous activities or encouraging minors to do dangerous activities”. Assuming the role of a crash-test dummy because your dad wants to “make a point” very much falls into the category of “dangerous activities”.

Park, I’m sorry to say, was not the only parent who decided it was a good idea to rope their child into amateur vehicle-testing in order to stick it to Tesla’s critics. A guy called Carmine Cupani reportedly got his 11-year-old son to stand in the path of his Tesla as it was doing 35mph on “full self-driving” mode in a car park. Demonstrating his commitment to the scientific process, Cupani then did another test, on a road, using his son as the target. For this one, he used Autopilot, which is Tesla’s less sophisticated driver-assist software. His son survived both tests and now has lots of fun stories to tell his friends about that time Dad risked committing aggravated vehicular manslaughter in order to prove his loyalty to a car company.

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