revtothelimit - motorbike forum

Broadly speaking, there are two ways that UK advanced training is done on-road:
1. Input focused; "Let's go for a ride, see what happens, have a chat about it"
2. Outcomes focused; design a training route appropriate to the trainee's requirements

Using '2' is, in many ways, harder for the instructor. It requires use of a 'formative assessment', identifying needs, wants and expectations, then designing the training session to include opportunities for planned learning and practice.

Or, you can just say "fuggit, let's have a laugh at their expense"

Looks like some of them weren't told "look where you want to go".
Or maybe they are all just Trump supporters?

I was never sure just what the point of that little exercise was.

Whats the feedback on that one ?

Would this be a satisfactory shit sandwich

"So, on the plus side you didnt lob the bike a 100m into the boondocks and you didnt hurt yourself either and we have it all on video so thats really appreciated as a learning tool, but we need to work on the clutch control and the initial pull away on a very tight turn applying the look where you want to go principle"

Scootabout wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:16 pm Looks like some of them weren't told "look where you want to go".
Or maybe they are all just Trump supporters?

Obviously LibDems - sitting on the fence

The Spin Doctor wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:44 pm I was never sure just what the point of that little exercise was.

I can see the 'why' - it adds some mental pressure, replicating real life.

But I'm not sure everyone was quite up to it . . . If that's the case, perhaps the instructors knew, and wanted the trainees to find out for themselves? Not that I condone the method to do that.

Years ago, a mate was getting into trials riding. He showed me a book written by a US expert. The guy trained on an ex-military area, which had loads of concrete bunkers. He would practice full-lock turns on top of the bunker, with his front wheel 2" from the drop.

I call that sort of mental pressure the 'mountain goat' effect; the goat sees fresh grass, so hops across. Goat doesn't care whether it's an 4" deep ornamental rill or a 4,000 ft ravine.

Bigyin wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:24 pm Whats the feedback on that one ?

Would this be a satisfactory shit sandwich

"So, on the plus side you didnt lob the bike a 100m into the boondocks and you didnt hurt yourself either and we have it all on video so thats really appreciated as a learning tool, but we need to work on the clutch control and the initial pull away on a very tight turn applying the look where you want to go principle"

From the commentary, the appropriate feedback was"Bwa-hahahahahahahahaha-ah-hahahahahahahahah"

The feedback for me is to probably not give such videos a far too sensible thread title

And worth noting that US novices are taught how to pull away in turns like this - just with cones instead of a fence.

Scootabout wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:16 pm Obviously LibDems - sitting on the fence

Oi! I might be a Lib Dem supporter, but I have not crashed into a fence - yet.

Scootabout wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:50 pm

Scootabout wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:16 pm Obviously LibDems - sitting on the fence

Oi! I might be a Lib Dem supporter, but I have not crashed into a fence - yet.

The only reason LibDems have a cr@ck in the @rse is to @id sitting on the fence

Scootabout wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:50 pm

Scootabout wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:16 pm Obviously LibDems - sitting on the fence

Oi! I might be a Lib Dem supporter, but I have not crashed into a fence - yet.

That's cos you was well-trained, IIRC

Horse wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:24 pm that's cos you was well-trained, IIRC

I'll take motorcycle training from you anytime, Horse. Politics? Not so sure