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Keith Huewen: ‘Yamaha would be mad to overlook Toprak for MotoGP’

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 7:21 am
by weeksy
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/10034 ... rak-motogp

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Epic Estoril WorldSBK battles, KTM’s tough run in MotoGP, the latest on the 2023 rider market and Valentino Rossi’s best Mugello moments - just some of the topics on this week’s Crash.net MotoGP podcast featuring Keith Huewen.

With MotoGP taking a weekend off, much of the world’s two-wheeled attention was on the Estoril WorldSBK event, where reigning champion and potential 2023 MotoGP rider Toprak Razgatlioglu narrowly lost out to Jonathan Rea and Alvaro Bautista during three breathtaking races.

“Yamaha would be mad to overlook Toprak for MotoGP next year,” said former British champion and grand prix rider Huewen.

“World Superbike is very watchable again because of Toprak, Jonathan Rea and lately Alvaro Bautista. That first race at Estoril between Toprak and Jonathan was just incredible - they were throwing motorbikes at each other! I’ve never seen anything quite like it.

“It was stunningly skilful stuff. You would have called it reckless I think in the past, but because it was those two it was just brilliant to watch. The hairs are standing up on my arm while I’m talking about it!

“It really was something a little bit special and Toprak is special. So is Jonathan, but Jonathan is of an age where unfortunately - I still rue the day Honda didn't do what they should have done and given Jonathan Rea a factory Honda.

“But Razgatlioglu’s definitely going to MotoGP. I'm absolutely convinced. I can't believe that he won't have a top MotoGP ride in 2022.


“Money is the big problem for everyone at the moment and maybe having a couple of factory Suzuki blokes in the mix means there is a 'sale on'.

“But Kenan Sofuoglu, Toprak’s manager and five times World Supersport champion, knows the market really well. I can see Kenan being a really tough negotiator and Yamaha, well, what other choices do they have?

“Dovi won’t be staying the way things have gone. If Morbidelli doesn’t start performing, might he be in danger of going the same way? Meanwhile, you've got Razgatlioglu waiting in the wings in World Superbike.

“Mugello is traditionally the kind of weekend where some future rider announcements are made. But another knock-on of the Suzuki situation is that, if I was in team management, I'd say ‘hang on, there are still plenty of good riders available, let’s wait a bit longer and see how things play out’.”

Toprak on a MotoGP bike? ‘He's going to love it!’
Razgatlioglu is expected to try a Yamaha M1 next month, presumably with the factory test team and therefore alongside Cal Crutchlow.

The Englishman is the most successful WorldSBK rider to make the MotoGP move in the four-stroke era, courtesy of his three race wins, and so would be the perfect rider to offer initial advice and guidance to Razgatlioglu.

But will Razgatlioglu’s style suit a MotoGP bike?

“It's funny how manufacturers have this kind of DNA in the way that they make motorbikes, whether it’s the production bike through to the factory MotoGP bike,” Huewen said. “A friend of mine bought a Ducati for a track day bike recently and said, ‘it doesn’t steer very well' compared with his Yamaha.

“Remember Valentino as well as the present Yamaha MotoGP riders all use R1’s for training and track days. So what I'm saying is the DNA of the bike Toprak is used to in WorldSBK will still be there. I think Toprak will get on the MotoGP bike and he's going to love it!

Re: Keith Huewen: ‘Yamaha would be mad to overlook Toprak for MotoGP’

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 7:57 am
by lostboy
It's been talked about many times on here. It's a very different standard as well as a very different bike and the transition is rarely successful.

I'd also suggest that Yamaha have wider issues than who may or may not get promoted from WSBK - when a former Moto2 WC and runner up in MotoGP is struggling to get anywhere near the top ten, and is still generally the second Yamaha in the results they've got serious problems to resolve with the bike they're offering.

I've got to admit I'm biased here in that I don't like Keith Huewen so I'm happy for him to be wrong - but he's not offering anything here that we haven't already knocked around and disagreed on.

Re: Keith Huewen: ‘Yamaha would be mad to overlook Toprak for MotoGP’

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 8:01 am
by weeksy
TBH if i were Yamaha and i had Quat leading the charge in GPs, then what really is the point in sending Toprak to GPs with him ?

You'd assume there's a transition period between getting a GP bike and being able to win on it as we've generally seen.

Better surely to leave Toprak in WSB to battle for the title, after all, they sell R1s not M1s on Monday...There's no-one else looking likely yet to battle Rea and Bautista, so why send him to GPs ?

Re: Keith Huewen: ‘Yamaha would be mad to overlook Toprak for MotoGP’

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 10:12 am
by Skub
The Yamaha is a problem too.

People forget how good Dovi and Morbidelli are. On the right bike they both are championship contenders. On the Yam,they are nowhere.

Quartararo is special enough to be competitive on any bike,I believe. Is Toprak that special too? Maybe he is,but it's the same as the Johnny Rea and Motogp question,we don't actually know. Honda screwed JR's chances for sure.

I hope Toprak gets his shot at GP glory,otherwise like the JR debate,it'll be the Toprak debate about what might have been.

Re: Keith Huewen: ‘Yamaha would be mad to overlook Toprak for MotoGP’

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 10:20 am
by wull
Of course he is, best talent on a bike just now.

Re: Keith Huewen: ‘Yamaha would be mad to overlook Toprak for MotoGP’

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 10:34 am
by KungFooBob
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Re: Keith Huewen: ‘Yamaha would be mad to overlook Toprak for MotoGP’

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 10:37 am
by lostboy
wull wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 10:20 am Of course he is, best talent on a superbike just now.
Corrected for you ;)

Re: Keith Huewen: ‘Yamaha would be mad to overlook Toprak for MotoGP’

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 11:36 am
by weeksy
lostboy wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 10:37 am
wull wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 10:20 am Of course he is, best talent on a superbike just now.
Corrected for you ;)
Well, is he even that though. Sure he's the best 'up and coming' talent. But i'm sure both Bautista and Rea would argue they're as good/better than him.

It's mostly his style the separates him from the 2 others, rather than his speed. He's seen as the golden boy but really, it's any of the 3 in a given race.

Re: Keith Huewen: ‘Yamaha would be mad to overlook Toprak for MotoGP’

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 11:43 am
by wull
weeksy wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 11:36 am
lostboy wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 10:37 am
wull wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 10:20 am Of course he is, best talent on a superbike just now.
Corrected for you ;)
Well, is he even that though. Sure he's the best 'up and coming' talent. But i'm sure both Bautista and Rea would argue they're as good/better than him.

It's mostly his style the separates him from the 2 others, rather than his speed. He's seen as the golden boy but really, it's any of the 3 in a given race.
Bautista is only better when the track suits his bike, a long start finish straight. Even JR’s Kawasaki pulls well now down the straight and when he’s got a tow he goes by very easily. Toprak’s R1 seems to go by at a slower rate when he has a tow.

Re: Keith Huewen: ‘Yamaha would be mad to overlook Toprak for MotoGP’

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 11:46 am
by weeksy
wull wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 11:43 am
weeksy wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 11:36 am
lostboy wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 10:37 am

Corrected for you ;)
Well, is he even that though. Sure he's the best 'up and coming' talent. But i'm sure both Bautista and Rea would argue they're as good/better than him.

It's mostly his style the separates him from the 2 others, rather than his speed. He's seen as the golden boy but really, it's any of the 3 in a given race.
Bautista is only better when the track suits his bike, a long start finish straight. Even JR’s Kawasaki pulls well now down the straight and when he’s got a tow he goes by very easily. Toprak’s R1 seems to go by at a slower rate when he has a tow.
NOt sure i agree.... Whilst the Ducati is fast, so is Bautista. I think by the end of the season when he's taken the title you can't argue all the tracks suit his bike... Because some won't... but overall i expect him to be champ this year.

Re: Keith Huewen: ‘Yamaha would be mad to overlook Toprak for MotoGP’

Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 12:02 pm
by wull
He is fast, but his wins have predominantly came from how the bike performs down the start finish. It’s easy for us to see.

I reckon the tracks that don’t suit his bike he will finish 2nd or 3rd.

Re: Keith Huewen: ‘Yamaha would be mad to overlook Toprak for MotoGP’

Posted: Sat May 28, 2022 9:54 am
by Flux
^^ Isn't that how championships are won, have a bad day and finish 3rd?

Re: Keith Huewen: ‘Yamaha would be mad to overlook Toprak for MotoGP’

Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 8:12 am
by lostboy
Flux wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 9:54 am ^^ Isn't that how championships are won, have a bad day and finish 3rd?
Joan Mir.

Re: Keith Huewen: ‘Yamaha would be mad to overlook Toprak for MotoGP’

Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 10:38 am
by wull
Flux wrote: Sat May 28, 2022 9:54 am ^^ Isn't that how championships are won, have a bad day and finish 3rd?
That’s not a bad day though, the point I’m making is that when the track doesn’t suit the ridiculous speed of the Ducati then he isn’t good enough to beat JR or TR.