A Modern Manx?

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Re: A Modern Manx?

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I like it, a bit.

The pipes just look awkward tho'
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Re: A Modern Manx?

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Oh dear, that's a mess
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Point for using an actual pipe bender.

Subtracted again for bending them into a weird shape :hmmm:
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I quite like it too, apart from the pipes. I suppose it's that things should look like what they do ie remove combustion products, smoothly and efficiently, not take them on a rather tortuous trip.
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KungFooBob wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 4:14 pm I like it, a bit.

The pipes just look awkward tho'
Looks like they thought it would look better than crash bungs!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Headers are odd, but apart from that its gorg as they say round these parts!
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Re: A Modern Manx?

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So to take an engine cover off involves removing the exhausts!!!!
Nice apart from that.
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Demannu wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 9:17 am So to take an engine cover off involves removing the exhausts!!!!
Nice apart from that.
My old Triumph has very similar exhausts...you can't do very much without taking the pipes off. The best bit is, they completely block the timing inspection covers, which makes setting said timing somewhat awkward.
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inewham wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 8:08 am Looks like a pair of old school crashbars from behind :)
So... you drop it... it lands on the headers... which rip the exhaust studs out of the head.

As an aside, my brother's R1250S was written off last year thanks largely to the engine protectors. He'd stopped, the van coming the other way on the single track road didn't quite make it, clipped the crash bar and ripped the mounting bolts out of the crankcases. Add in the damage caused by toppling left and it was all too much to repair.
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The Spin Doctor wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 11:41 am
inewham wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 8:08 am Looks like a pair of old school crashbars from behind :)
So... you drop it... it lands on the headers... which rip the exhaust studs out of the head.

As an aside, my brother's R1250S was written off last year thanks largely to the engine protectors. He'd stopped, the van coming the other way on the single track road didn't quite make it, clipped the crash bar and ripped the mounting bolts out of the crankcases. Add in the damage caused by toppling left and it was all too much to repair.
Any damage to the engine cases on a BM will be uneconomical to repair by a dealership because the engine cases are a substantial part of the frame.

I bet the engine protectors were after-market? Most OE-BM protection stuff might bolt to the head, but not the cases for this reason. (well - it certainly used to be that way, not sure on the really new stuff).

But that's the thing with protection bars - the force has to go somewhere.

I once dropped the Mirth- with crash-bars fitted where the crash-bars didn't bolt to the frame, but instead clamped around the lower frame rail. The impact definitely bent the frame...... it actually handled better afterwards. :D
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Rockburner wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 12:58 pm Any damage to the engine cases on a BM will be uneconomical to repair by a dealership because the engine cases are a substantial part of the frame.

I bet the engine protectors were after-market? Most OE-BM protection stuff might bolt to the head, but not the cases for this reason. (well - it certainly used to be that way, not sure on the really new stuff).

But that's the thing with protection bars - the force has to go somewhere.

I once dropped the Mirth- with crash-bars fitted where the crash-bars didn't bolt to the frame, but instead clamped around the lower frame rail. The impact definitely bent the frame...... it actually handled better afterwards. :D
As far as I know it was all BMW standard stuff, but can't swear to that... he just handed them a huge wodge of cash and rode - well, wobbled - away on it. Was scary watching him struggling with it riding round the Pyrenees at walk pace.

I know the forces have to go somewhere but bolting them into the crankcases does seem a very limiting factor.
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Re: A Modern Manx?

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A modern Manx Norton?

No.

It's a warmed over Triumph Thruxton that some sad sack is trying desperately to associate with the Manx name.

Point one - the Manx is/was a Norton, this is a Triumph.

Point two - the Manx Norton was a single, this is a twin.

Can someone please tell me how this piece of 'association by wishing' can be allowed to stand?
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mangocrazy wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 9:40 pm A modern Manx Norton?

No.

It's a warmed over Triumph Thruxton that some sad sack is trying desperately to associate with the Manx name.

Point one - the Manx is/was a Norton, this is a Triumph.

Point two - the Manx Norton was a single, this is a twin.

Can someone please tell me how this piece of 'association by wishing' can be allowed to stand?
All very valid points which I agree with- I too found it a bit strange - it's a Triumph FFS :crazy:
Having said that though, as these sort of things go, I quite like it, silly shape header pipes aside ( which I am guessing are that shape to try and make it look more like a Manx than it would with sensible ones :D )
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mangocrazy wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 9:40 pm A modern Manx Norton?

No.

It's a warmed over Triumph Thruxton that some sad sack is trying desperately to associate with the Manx name.

Point one - the Manx is/was a Norton, this is a Triumph.

Point two - the Manx Norton was a single, this is a twin.

Can someone please tell me how this piece of 'association by wishing' can be allowed to stand?
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Re: A Modern Manx?

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Better than a lot of modern interpretations.
Looks great from some angles, others not so much.

If you featured it in Classic Bike mag it'd certainly bring on a few seizures.
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Rockburner wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 12:58 pm
I once dropped the Mirth- with crash-bars fitted where the crash-bars didn't bolt to the frame, but instead clamped around the lower frame rail. The impact definitely bent the frame...... it actually handled better afterwards. :D
:D

Which means that someone had gone to equal effort to spoil the handling ;)
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I know the forces have to go somewhere but bolting them into the crankcases does seem a very limiting factor.
I don't know that model, but most oilhead Rs didn't have much else that could have anything bolted to it.

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It's not a new issue. Some K100 crash bars bolted to the underside of the engine, potentially with similar catastrophic damage in a crash.

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The Spin Doctor wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 9:30 pm
Rockburner wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 12:58 pm Any damage to the engine cases on a BM will be uneconomical to repair by a dealership because the engine cases are a substantial part of the frame.

I bet the engine protectors were after-market? Most OE-BM protection stuff might bolt to the head, but not the cases for this reason. (well - it certainly used to be that way, not sure on the really new stuff).

But that's the thing with protection bars - the force has to go somewhere.

I once dropped the Mirth- with crash-bars fitted where the crash-bars didn't bolt to the frame, but instead clamped around the lower frame rail. The impact definitely bent the frame...... it actually handled better afterwards. :D
As far as I know it was all BMW standard stuff, but can't swear to that... he just handed them a huge wodge of cash and rode - well, wobbled - away on it. Was scary watching him struggling with it riding round the Pyrenees at walk pace.

I know the forces have to go somewhere but bolting them into the crankcases does seem a very limiting factor.
Been there, done that where it just pulled one bolt out the thread on the crankcase.

Seems crazy when a helicoil would repair the damage for a few quid.

But in my case I put the bike into a dealer and it was a third party insurance job.

So away it went.
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Re: A Modern Manx?

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But not impossible:



My RT had the small valve cover protectors, traditionally fitted after the cover has been scuffed :)
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