The Brexit thread

[wheelnut]

Trade with Germany drops off a cliff

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58484454

But at least the deals with Albania and Cameroon are on course.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-ag ... -countries

[Kneerly Down]

Trade with Germany drops off a cliff...

Funny how the BBC gives a 'since Brexit vote' for UK trade with Germany (in terms of ranking) but no context of German trade with the UK since the vote.

If it did it would show:
UK exports to Germany down c.7%
German exports to UK down c.20%

German Exports to UK

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UK Exports to Germany

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[wheelnut]

It's not since the vote, it's since the restrictions have kicked in, or do you feel that all the restrictions and red tape have improved the chances of a good trading relationship?

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Do we really need another Brexit thread, FFS give it a rest and ride a motorbike

[wheelnut]

Do we really need another Brexit thread, FFS give it a rest and ride a motorbike

There's always the jokes thread if this thread offends you.

[Kneerly Down]

It's not since the vote, it's since the restrictions have kicked in, or do you feel that all the restrictions and red tape have improved the chances of a good trading relationship?

I'm not in favour of lots of restrictions and red tape, which seems to be more of an EU forte...for dealing with the other 94% of the world.
Why just since the restrictions kicked in...surely lots of businesses changed their supply chains in the last 5 years?
Of course there's also been some other slight influences on global trade in the past 6/18 months other than Brexit.

[David]

Well....Brexit....don't say I didn't warn you....


I didn't, but that's not the point....

[wheelnut]

I'm certainly not blaming all woes on Brexit, but I think it plays a key part. Like it or not, other countries have a right to dictate how they want to trade with a country, as do we. The problem is that while we want to try to bend over backwards, other EU countries want to tell us to go do one. Hey ho, we get what we asked for.

[MrLongbeard]

Ahhh well at least the Northern Irish will be able to get access to our delicious chilled meats indefinitely

[DefTrap]

I'm certainly not blaming all woes on Brexit, but I think it plays a key part. Like it or not, other countries have a right to dictate how they want to trade with a country, as do we. The problem is that while we want to try to bend over backwards, other EU countries want to tell us to go do one. Hey ho, we get what we asked for.

It doesn't matter now. I'm sure the UK and EU will get over it eventually.

We shat in our own bed on purpose and are now finding others don't want to share our own shitty bed.
But yeah the majority wanted that - you've seen what the majority looks like yeah?

[gremlin]

It doesn't matter now.

That ^

[Kneerly Down]

I'm certainly not blaming all woes on Brexit, but I think it plays a key part. Like it or not, other countries have a right to dictate how they want to trade with a country, as do we.

But we didn't. The EU decided how we traded with other countries. Now it only decides how we trade with the EU.

[Kneerly Down]

The UK is so bad that, of the 3 million EU citizens living in the UK, 5 million have applied for settled status. ???

edit: 6 million now.

[KungFooBob]

If they made the scale start at zero, it wouldn't look half as bad.

[DefTrap]

I think most of Europe has gone to shit, but it's a fact that out of the countries in the EU, the UK isn't that bad, my mate is Italian and went home when I went to the UK, we both got back and compared notes and Italy is full of problems, the UK sounded better and that's bad enough.

The whole of Europe is sick of EU bullshit and wants to take back control

"Isn't that bad". Faint praise indeed. I'd like to try living in Italy too, also Spain. Germany also if they would move it further towards the Med.

Personally, 2 weeks in the UK was enough for me. I don't hate it, far from it, but it really is hard to say what puts it much above others, other than it's "mine". Still quite a lot of miserable cvnts living there, despite having evicted all the nasty, smelly immigrants. I wonder who they'll turn on next?

Absolutely the best thing about being a foreigner abroad is that you don't have to feel responsible for the opinions and mistakes of the natives. And it makes me far more exotic, natch'.

[Kneerly Down]

"Isn't that bad". Faint praise indeed. I'd like to try living in Italy too, also Spain. Germany also if they would move it further towards the Med.

In the summer months a lot of Germany moves nearer the Med.

[Hoonercat]

Trade with Germany drops off a cliff

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58484454

But at least the deals with Albania and Cameroon are on course.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-ag ... -countries

Those figures are from the German Federal Statistics Office. It's woth noting that EU countries changed the way they 'measure' UK imports at the start of the year (doesn't include imports from further afield), while the UK still counts them in the export reports, so any comparisons to trade between last year and this year given by an EU-based institution isn't really comparable.

[demographic]

As part of Europe the UK had a lot of free trade agreements with Europe and even with other countries outside Europe. Because it was part of a large group of countries we got better deals.
We're now out of that, its not a matter of Europe introducing harsh tariffs or extra rules.
Its just that the UK voted to leave and those are the deals for pretty small countries outside of Europe.
To suggest otherwise is either disingenuous or possibly a bit stupid.

We have just walked away from out largest trading partner and are scrabbling about for deals with the likes of Australia who bring in pretty much fuckall.

We also made a huge deal about the agreement with Japan despite it being a slightly worse deal than the one we had with them when we were part of the EU.
Well done folks, name a few Brexit plusses?
Apart from nebulous shite like "Sovereignty" though eh?

[JackyJoll]

In the summer months a lot of Germany moves nearer the Med.

In an Audi 100.

[Treadeager]

A week is along time in politics......

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... an-courts/

Michel Barnier demands return of France's 'sovereignty' from European courts
Former EU negotiator accused of hypocrisy by Brexiteers after attack on European Court of Justice

By
James Crisp,
EUROPE EDITOR
9 September 2021 • 5:25pm
Mr Barnier is running to be president of France but struggles with a low public profile after years working in Brussels.
Mr Barnier is running to be president of France but struggles with a low public profile. CREDIT: AFP
Michel Barnier said that France had to regain the sovereignty it has lost to European courts on Thursday and called for a referendum on a ban on non-EU immigration.

The former Brexit negotiator and EU commissioner was accused of hypocrisy because his comments appeared to contradict many of the positions he took when he was helming talks with the UK.

During the Brexit negotiations, Mr Barnier, who is running to be French president for the centre-Right Republicains party, called for the European Court of Justice to continue to hold sway in the UK and insisted it remained the sole and supreme arbiter of EU law.

He also secured British commitments that the UK would remain part of the European Court of Human Rights, which is not an EU institution, in return for cooperation on extradition after Brexit.

Mr Barnier said at a rally, "We must regain our legal sovereignty so that we are no longer subject to the rulings of the European Court of Justice or the European Court of Human Rights.”

"We will propose a referendum in September on the issue of immigration," he said, referring to his earlier call for a halt on non-EU immigration into France for five years.

Freedom of movement, which is open to EU nationals in the bloc, would continue under his proposal, which would stop all non-EU residency permit requests for three to five years except asylum seekers and students.

Mr Barnier later tweeted a clarification saying that France should not break entirely free of the European courts but only have a "constitutional shield" on matters to do with non-EU immigration.

“This is ironic in the extreme. Barnier preaching the merits of national sovereignty to curb the over-powerful EU and European Court of Human Rights,” tweeted Simon Clarke, the Tory MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland.


Nigel Farage, the former Brexit Party leader, told the Telegraph Mr Barnier was the “biggest hypocrite ever born” for co-opting eurosceptic arguments after working for the EU for so long.

Mr Barnier also took aim at the Franco-German relationship at the heart of EU policy making. He said that the relationship was unbalanced by a dominant Berlin and France needed to reassert itself.

Ursula von der Leyen, the woman chosen ahead of Mr Barnier to be European Commission president, is German.

Mr Barnier stands little chance of being elected ahead of either the pro-EU incumbent Emmanuel Macron or the eurosceptic, anti-migrant National Rally’s Marine Le Pen in the presidential election next year.

After many years working for the European Commission in Brussels, his profile is not as high as his rivals and his Republicans have not recovered from their mauling at the last presidential elections.

Since announcing he would run for the presidency, Mr Barnier has made a pitch for votes from people who feel disenfranchised by globalisation.