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Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 2:49 pm
by ace llani
http://chng.it/5xL7wvzC7P

Please sign, and share the hell out of this!

:banana-wrench:

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 2:51 pm
by ace llani
Link is to a Change.org petition to get VAT taken off protective motorcycle gear, as it already is for helmets.

A £300 piece of kit would cost £250 if VAT exempt..

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 2:59 pm
by Skub
Done and shared to forkFace,with faint hope I might add,but if ya don't ask,ya don't get.

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 3:15 pm
by ace llani
Skub wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 2:59 pm Done and shared to forkFace,with faint hope I might add,but if ya don't ask,ya don't get.
Many thanks.
Cheaper gear for all!

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 3:48 pm
by ace llani
If you buy a pair of work boots out of a merchants, you don't pay VAT as it's PPE.

Why should we on bike gear?

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 3:58 pm
by Yorick
ace llani wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 3:48 pm If you buy a pair of work boots out of a merchants, you don't pay VAT as it's PPE.

Why should we on bike gear?
You don't pay VAT on something if it's legally compulsory.
Like seat belts and baby seats.

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 4:03 pm
by JackyJoll
ace llani wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 3:48 pm If you buy a pair of work boots out of a merchants, you don't pay VAT as it's PPE.

Why should we on bike gear?
Work boots are for work.

Bike gear is for playing, so it’s a luxury.

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 4:14 pm
by slowsider
ace llani wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 3:48 pm If you buy a pair of work boots out of a merchants, you don't pay VAT as it's PPE.

Why should we on bike gear?
I wear work boots on the bike.

Stickin' it to the man :thumbup:

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 4:14 pm
by Mr. Dazzle
Yeah, I'm in two minds on this too. No one is forcing us to ride bikes.

As Yozza says you don't pay it on bash hats. You do on baby seats though, but only 5% (I've just bought one and noticed on the invoice, which surprised me!).

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 5:02 pm
by JackyJoll
I’m against VAT on the bike gear, but only because it costs me money.

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 6:31 pm
by Pirahna
I like paying VAT.

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 6:38 pm
by Saga Lout
Pirahna wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 6:31 pm I like paying VAT.
I like other people paying VAT.

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 10:42 pm
by Cousin Jack
I don't like paying VAT, but OTOH I really, really, don't want 'bike PPE' to become compulsory like helmets.

It seems to me that if we avoid VAT the likelihood of compulsory gear gets a lot closer.

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 11:25 pm
by MrLongbeard
ace llani wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 3:48 pm If you buy a pair of work boots out of a merchants, you don't pay VAT as it's PPE.

Why should we on bike gear?
Helmets and boots are the only zero rated PPE, gloves, goggles, glasses, visors, lab coats, breathing equipment etc etc etc are not and are charged at 20%

So why zero rate M-bike gear? If it even leads an MP to think about PPE being compulsory on my motorcycle I can't support it

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 1:24 am
by Whysub
Cousin Jack wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 10:42 pm I don't like paying VAT, but OTOH I really, really, don't want 'bike PPE' to become compulsory like helmets.

It seems to me that if we avoid VAT the likelihood of compulsory gear gets a lot closer.
Here in Spain, it will soon be compulsory to wear gloves when riding. The cost of fixing up hands damaged in even slow speed offs is really high, as i see few other riders wearing gloves. I think that the delay is caused by the government needing to legislate a minimum safety standard for gloves.

It has been suggested that airbag jackets/vests may also be made compulsory, and most likely will be in a few years.

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 7:45 am
by Yorick
Whysub wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 1:24 am
Cousin Jack wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 10:42 pm I don't like paying VAT, but OTOH I really, really, don't want 'bike PPE' to become compulsory like helmets.

It seems to me that if we avoid VAT the likelihood of compulsory gear gets a lot closer.
Here in Spain, it will soon be compulsory to wear gloves when riding. The cost of fixing up hands damaged in even slow speed offs is really high, as i see few other riders wearing gloves. I think that the delay is caused by the government needing to legislate a minimum safety standard for gloves.

It has been suggested that airbag jackets/vests may also be made compulsory, and most likely will be in a few years.
I see girls here in shorts, bikini tops and flip flops on fair sized bikes. Pleasing on the eye, but not really safe ;)

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 11:25 am
by ace llani
MrLongbeard wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 11:25 pm
ace llani wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 3:48 pm If you buy a pair of work boots out of a merchants, you don't pay VAT as it's PPE.

Why should we on bike gear?
Helmets and boots are the only zero rated PPE, gloves, goggles, glasses, visors, lab coats, breathing equipment etc etc etc are not and are charged at 20%

So why zero rate M-bike gear? If it even leads an MP to think about PPE being compulsory on my motorcycle I can't support it
Can't see how bike gear can be made compulsary, or policed.

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 11:28 am
by ace llani
I've worked at several places where toetectors are compulsary, but it's not enforced.

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 11:43 am
by MrLongbeard
ace llani wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 11:25 am
MrLongbeard wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 11:25 pm
ace llani wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 3:48 pm If you buy a pair of work boots out of a merchants, you don't pay VAT as it's PPE.

Why should we on bike gear?
Helmets and boots are the only zero rated PPE, gloves, goggles, glasses, visors, lab coats, breathing equipment etc etc etc are not and are charged at 20%

So why zero rate M-bike gear? If it even leads an MP to think about PPE being compulsory on my motorcycle I can't support it
Can't see how bike gear can be made compulsary, or policed.
It's dead easy.
1, MP's pass a law to make it so
2, 5 - 0 check your gear for a UKCA mark every time they pull you over or mill around an event
3, Your insurance company ask for a photo of your label when taking out insurance and or request your damaged gear to be sent to them when making a claim.

CE marked gloves are already mandatory in that France

Re: Scrap VAT on motorcycle gear!

Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 12:46 pm
by Whysub
Compulsory gloves are an easy thing to police as non conformity is quite obvious .

Unless you wear flesh colour ones, but why would you want to, as the risk of a police stop will be so much higher?