Motorcyclists' gaze paper

[iansoady]

This dropped into my inbox today. I haven't had chance to read it but it may provide some food for thought. The layout is poretty terrible though.....

https://motorcyclestudies.org/volume-21 ... thodology/

[The Spin Doctor]

Shel's been working on this for several years. Got a chance to talk with her at the International Journal of Motorcycle Studies conference at Nottingham University last summer, where I was delivering my Science Of Being Seen presentation.

[Horse]

Interesting that my mate Matt doesn't get a mention:

Tofield and Wann (2001) found that motorcycle riders who were driving a car looked further ahead than car drivers who had no motorcycle riding experience. They argued that the motorcycle riders applied hazard perception skills that they had learned specifically from motorcycle riding.

Might not have met the filtering criteria.

[The Spin Doctor]

Not sure I've seen that one - I'll dig it out if I can.

[Rockburner]

Interesting that my mate Matt doesn't get a mention:

Tofield and Wann (2001) found that motorcycle riders who were driving a car looked further ahead than car drivers who had no motorcycle riding experience. They argued that the motorcycle riders applied hazard perception skills that they had learned specifically from motorcycle riding.

Might not have met the filtering criteria.

Anecdotal, but that's exactly why my Dad insisted that my brothers and i did our motorcycle tests before the car tests.

[The Spin Doctor]

Interesting that my mate Matt doesn't get a mention:

Tofield and Wann (2001) found that motorcycle riders who were driving a car looked further ahead than car drivers who had no motorcycle riding experience. They argued that the motorcycle riders applied hazard perception skills that they had learned specifically from motorcycle riding.

Might not have met the filtering criteria.

There was a Swedish study (IIRC) years ago that said motorcyclists when riding spend much more time looking at the road surface than a driver in a car.

I suspect that might well have changed in the last few years.

[Horse]

Interesting that my mate Matt doesn't get a mention:

Tofield and Wann (2001) found that motorcycle riders who were driving a car looked further ahead than car drivers who had no motorcycle riding experience. They argued that the motorcycle riders applied hazard perception skills that they had learned specifically from motorcycle riding.

Might not have met the filtering criteria.

There was a Swedish study (IIRC) years ago that said motorcyclists when riding spend much more time looking at the road surface than a driver in a car.

I suspect that might well have changed in the last few years.

Was that the paper Mark McVeigh mentioned in one of the Bennetts BikeSocial videos?

[The Spin Doctor]

Was that the paper Mark McVeigh mentioned in one of the Bennetts BikeSocial videos?

No idea... I did have a copy but lost it in a disk crash.

[Horse]

Was that the paper Mark McVeigh mentioned in one of the Bennetts BikeSocial videos?

No idea... I did have a copy but lost it in a disk crash.

Ah, lost gyroscopic stability?

[Rockburner]

There was a TV documentary about this years ago - I remember discussing it on old VD. Didn't mention bikes - but was comparing the gaze of a racing driver on track compared to a "normal" road driver.

IIRC the "normal" driver rarely looked further than 6 foot from in front of his bonnet, and even less frequently at anything outside of his lane: whereas the racing driver rarely looked at "where he was going" and was very actively keeping an eye on everything else around him.

The conclusion made was that the racing driver didn't need to see the track because he'd learnt it.

It seemed a little light on decent analysis tbh. What the program makers would have made of a courier riding through London traffic I've no idea. I think it would have blown their minds....

[Horse]

Lots of points there!

- There's a driving instructor who calls it 'driving on dipped beam', encourages people to change to 'high beam'.

- Research found people assess corners by the inside edge. As you say, racers will have learned the circuit.

- A while back, someone posted a video of an IoM TT lap, recorded from a camera which must have been mounted on the riders chinbar. The centre of the image never left the furthest visible point.

- IIRC, Spin said he gradually/eventually decided to take the urgency out of London couriering.

- It probably depends, for dense traffic, on your prediction skills for concurrent hazards at varying distances ahead.

[Horse]

NB Chris Gilbert, ex-Met instructor

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Part of one of my training routes:
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[The Spin Doctor]

- IIRC, Spin said he gradually/eventually decided to take the urgency out of London couriering.

- It probably depends, for dense traffic, on your prediction skills for concurrent hazards at varying distances ahead.

Happened fairly quickly, actually. I realised that if I tore round like a loon I wouldn't last long. I saw a lot of riders come... and go. The long-termers were pretty quick from A to B... but slow where they needed to be, and most of the 'progress' (I hate that word) came from smooth movement within the flow, rather than blasting through filtering queues or past stationary traffic.

I remember pulling a trainee over - he was reacting late and I was trying to get him to lift his vision, but he was still on 'low beam'. So I asked 'how many sets of traffic lights can you see'? He looked and said "one".

I told him to look again.

There were four sets visible. It's not that the more distant sets can possibly affect what we do now, but if we CAN see them, we can predict where we might have to slow or stop in a few seconds.