Classic Triumph Bonneville

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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:09 pm There's a million and one pages written on Amal tuning, as you say start with the main.

I've just been out for about 40 miles on it, it's generally OK. Looking at the plugs after a sustained run on the A5 a high throttle they're a smidge on the dark side. The electrodes are biscuit brown but the outer rim is dark, but not with loads of deposits.
I think the outer rim gets dark from idling and low speed use and it seems to more or less always happen.

Plug colour from a full throttle run will be changed by just a few firing cycles at smaller throttle openings. That’s why you cut the ignition while still at full throttle.
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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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Exactly. Looks like that one even comes with a blanking plug for when you're done tuning. Fit the boss somewhere unobtrusive, and blank it when it's running just-so. Or leave it on there so you have some notice next time it drifts out of tune or the jets vibrates itself out, before it holes a piston.
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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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Taipan wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:23 pm so I'm surprised the correct jetting info for your set up isn't out there?
All that’s out there is confusion. There is no substitute for tuning your own bike.
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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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I’ve seen air/fuel instruments where you stick a long probe in through the tailpipe.
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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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JackyJoll wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:31 am I’ve seen air/fuel instruments where you stick a long probe in through the tailpipe.
That's what they used on a dyno innit....the probe needs to be right up inside teh exhaust so you're only measuring exhaust gas. The AFR gauge reads quite small changes in the gas mixture, so you need to be quite a long way up the pipe ( :shock: ) to be sure you're not getting a mix of exhaust and outside air.
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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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A_morti wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:29 am Fit the boss somewhere unobtrusive
Where's that then? :D

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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:34 am
A_morti wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:29 am Fit the boss somewhere unobtrusive
Where's that then? :D

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It's not the looks which get me, it's the smell. It's hard to describe, but I'd say it's "unfiltered". Petrol, hot oil, rubber and hot metal.
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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:39 am It's not the looks which get me, it's the smell. It's hard to describe, but I'd say it's "unfiltered". Petrol, hot oil, rubber and hot metal.
If you can find a way to share the smell, I'd say the same about that! I used to adore going to the Manx GP because of all the old bikes. For someone who didn't 'get into' bikes until late 90's, some have said I'm odd because I love classics and vintage. But the looks, smell and sounds are amazing :wub: :wub: :wub:
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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:34 am
Where's that then? :D
Anyone would think they never considered lambda sensors at the design phase :/

Are the exhausts completely separate? No link pipe? In that case, just to complicate it even more, you'd really want a sensor on each.
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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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They are, and I would! It's not that unusual to require different carb settings on either cylinder. The only thing which 'connects' the two cylinders is the crank and the fuel pipe which connects to the two float bowls. Other than that, it's basically two singles in formation.

EDIT: Oh, and the ignition coils. There's one per cylinder, but they're in series and always fire together.
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:41 am They are, and I would! It's not that unusual to require different carb settings on either cylinder. The only thing which 'connects' the two cylinders is the crank and the fuel pipe which connects to the two float bowls. Other than that, it's basically two singles in formation.

EDIT: Oh, and the ignition coils. There's one per cylinder, but they're in series and always fire together.
Do you not have an inlet balance hose on yours?
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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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Ah yes I do actually, it's tiny though innit?
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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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A tiny one is more than I’ve got.
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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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Couldn't you get two really, REALLY long flexible probes and shove them as far up the zorsts as you could to get an accurate AFR reading? I'm guessing there aren't too much in the way of baffles to obstruct such a thing...

Welding a boss (or bosses) onto those headers would be a sin.
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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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Pipes are straight through, just need to find a long probe. :thumbup:
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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:17 pm Pipes are straight through, just need to find a long probe. :thumbup:
They wont help matters then! Open pipes are only good for WOT runs! Make up some lollipop baffles! I'm guessing you know about exhaust reversion?
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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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Taipan wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:22 pm
Mr. Dazzle wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:17 pm Pipes are straight through, just need to find a long probe. :thumbup:
They wont help matters then! Open pipes are only good for WOT runs! Make up some lollipop baffles! I'm guessing you know about exhaust reversion?
Are you trying to say that Mr Dazzle is reverted? Or even (whisper it) inverted? :D
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Taipan wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:22 pm
Mr. Dazzle wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:17 pm Pipes are straight through, just need to find a long probe. :thumbup:
They wont help matters then! Open pipes are only good for WOT runs! Make up some lollipop baffles! I'm guessing you know about exhaust reversion?
Generally, a Triumph 650 owner will get on better with straight-through lagged tube type silencers, than anything baffled.
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Re: Classic Triumph Bonneville

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JackyJoll wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:52 pm
Taipan wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:22 pm
Mr. Dazzle wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:17 pm Pipes are straight through, just need to find a long probe. :thumbup:
They wont help matters then! Open pipes are only good for WOT runs! Make up some lollipop baffles! I'm guessing you know about exhaust reversion?
Generally, a Triumph 650 owner will get on better with straight-through lagged tube type silencers, than anything baffled.
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