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irie wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:15 pm Another one bites the dust.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-suspe ... s-13070828
Labour suspends parliamentary candidate Graham Jones over 'unacceptable' Israel comments
Jones gets suspended for stating that any British citizen who volunteers to fight for the IDF (who have murdered thousands of civilians) should be locked up. Starmer proving that he is absolutely spineless when it come to Israel.

He also withdrew support for Azhar Ali, one of the reasons being that he suggested "people in the media from certain Jewish quarters" were fuelling criticism of a pro-Palestinian Labour MP. I'm taking a wild guess that had he simply left it at 'people in the media' there wouldn't have been any uproar, but the suggestion of 'certain Jewish quarters' exerting influence was the straw that broke Starmer's spine.
I'll leave these here, from the same article :wtf:
The Jewish Labour Movement
Labour must stand Graham Jones down as a parliamentary candidate and conduct a disciplinary investigation.
Jewish Representative Council of Greater Manchester and Region
firm and decisive action against their parliamentary candidate for Hyndburn, Graham Jones
From another Sky article, referring to any Labour member who attended the meeting
The Jewish Labour Movement
Well, they're identifiable. They all ought to be suspended pending investigation
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It's scarcely believeable, but all legitimate criticism of the state of Israel is now automatically classed as anti-semitism. How did we allow that to happen?
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Hoonercat wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:55 pm Jones gets suspended for stating that any British citizen who volunteers to fight for the IDF (blah blah blah) should be locked up.
The IDF is the army of our ally Israel. It’s perfectly acceptable for British Jews and other volunteers to join.
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mangocrazy wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:58 pm It's scarcely believeable, but all legitimate criticism of the state of Israel is now automatically classed as anti-semitism
Well no it’s not, at least not by everyone.
How did we allow that to happen?
You failed to stamp out free speech?
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mangocrazy wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:58 pm It's scarcely believeable, but all legitimate criticism of the state of Israel is now automatically classed as anti-semitism. How did we allow that to happen?
By various bodies and authorities adopting the IHRA definition rather than the Jerusalem declaration of 2021.
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JackyJoll wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:09 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:58 pm It's scarcely believeable, but all legitimate criticism of the state of Israel is now automatically classed as anti-semitism
Well no it’s not, at least not by everyone.
It is by the state of Israel and their acolytes. But not by me, obvs.
mangocrazy wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:58 pmHow did we allow that to happen?
JackyJoll wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:09 pm You failed to stamp out free speech?
I/we failed to stamp out apartheid. But there's still time.
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mangocrazy wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:21 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:09 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:58 pm It's scarcely believeable, but all legitimate criticism of the state of Israel is now automatically classed as anti-semitism
Well no it’s not, at least not by everyone.
It is by the state of Israel…
Yes they are quite sensitive to criticism.
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JackyJoll wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:06 pm
Hoonercat wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:55 pm Jones gets suspended for stating that any British citizen who volunteers to fight for the IDF (blah blah blah) should be locked up.
The IDF is the army of our ally Israel. It’s perfectly acceptable for British Jews and other volunteers to join.
I suppose it is if you demote the ongoing slaughter of thousands of innocent people to a mere blah blah blah.
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Labour finally outing the tories in the town i was brought up in.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ity-to-win
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Hoonercat wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 7:30 pm
JackyJoll wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:06 pm
Hoonercat wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:55 pm Jones gets suspended for stating that any British citizen who volunteers to fight for the IDF (blah blah blah) should be locked up.
The IDF is the army of our ally Israel. It’s perfectly acceptable for British Jews and other volunteers to join.
I suppose it is if you demote the ongoing slaughter of thousands of innocent people to a mere blah blah blah.
One death is a tragedy.
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mangocrazy wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:58 pm It's scarcely believeable, but all legitimate criticism of the state of Israel is now automatically classed as anti-semitism. How did we allow that to happen?
This is what many pro-Palestine supporters would have you believe as a way of trying to legitimise their own anti-semitism.

Because there is right and wrong on both Israel and Hamas sides, they can both be legitimately criticised.

What is not legitimate is to criticise Israel in terms of being Jewish, in the same way that it is not legitimate to criticise Hamas in terms of being Muslim.

However, unless and until Hamas renounces its Covenant, the central aim of which is complete destruction of the state of Israel, Israel will continue to try to destroy Hamas.

I'm an atheist btw so have no irons in this fire.
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irie wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:20 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:58 pm It's scarcely believeable, but all legitimate criticism of the state of Israel is now automatically classed as anti-semitism. How did we allow that to happen?
This is what many pro-Palestine supporters would have you believe as a way of trying to legitimise their own anti-semitism.

Because there is right and wrong on both Israel and Hamas sides, they can both be legitimately criticised.

What is not legitimate is to criticise Israel in terms of being Jewish, in the same way that it is not legitimate to criticise Hamas in terms of being Muslim.

However, unless and until Hamas renounces its Covenant, the central aim of which is complete destruction of the state of Israel, Israel will continue to try to destroy Hamas.

I'm an atheist btw so have no irons in this fire.
Meanwhile, the IDF have killed over 10,000 Palestinian children since October. I doubt they knew or cared much about the Hamas covenant you're so obsessed with.
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In other news.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 97356.html
Trump fraud trial LIVE: Ex-president fined more than $350 million for illegal business dealings

New York Attorney General Letitia James sought $370m in financial penalties and a ban on Republican presidential candidate doing business in his home town
This one's gonna run ...
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mangocrazy wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:30 pm Meanwhile, the IDF have killed over 10,000 Palestinian children since October. I doubt they lnow or care much about the Hamas covenant you're so obsessed with.
Not if they’re dead they don’t.
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irie wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:41 pm In other news.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 97356.html
Trump fraud trial LIVE: Ex-president fined more than $350 million for illegal business dealings

New York Attorney General Letitia James sought $370m in financial penalties and a ban on Republican presidential candidate doing business in his home town
This one's gonna run ...
Expected soon:
'Trump dies after feeling unwell following a walk in prison'
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JackyJoll wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:46 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:30 pm Meanwhile, the IDF have killed over 10,000 Palestinian children since October. I doubt they knew or cared much about the Hamas covenant you're so obsessed with.
Not if they’re dead they don’t.
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Mussels wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:53 pm
Expected soon:
'Trump dies after feeling unwell following a wank in prison'
Bubba playin' rough....
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mangocrazy wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:58 pm It's scarcely believeable, but all legitimate criticism of the state of Israel is now automatically classed as anti-semitism. How did we allow that to happen?
The woke movement. Woke is now more powerful than "They"! :shock: