Insignificant/ Significant things that BYP or just wind you up a little

[mangocrazy]

I think this is the right juncture to mention those chaps at wankernomics.com who have cornered the market in satirising management wanker-speak. here's a taster (many more are available):

[Yorick]

Stupidly complicated instructions. The vet gave us a bottle of stuff for Elvis to help his tummy and rehydration. The instructions were on the label in Spanish and unfathomable.
Just as hard when you read the English version

This is like rocket surgery.
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https://www.oralade.com/oralade-advanced-gi


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[Noggin]

I am starting to think that my trusty Kindle is on it's last legs/pages

It seems to struggle to do the basics sometimes . I know I can upgrade but really don't need to be doing that right now !! Here's hoping it lasts till winter - maybe I'll upgrade in time for the winter season, as long as it lasts that long (I use it pretty much everyday !!! Hence having Kindlle Unlimited and reading a load of lightweight 'tosh' !!!)

[Taipan]

Jury orders Tesla to pay more than $240 million in Autopilot crash case
MIAMI -- A Miami jury decided that Elon Musk's car company Tesla was partly responsible for a deadly crash in Florida involving its Autopilot driver assist technology and must pay the victims more than $240 million in damages.

The federal jury held that Tesla bore significant responsibility because its technology failed and that not all the blame can be put on a reckless driver, even one who admitted he was distracted by his cellphone before hitting a young couple out gazing at the stars. The decision comes as Musk seeks to convince Americans his cars are safe enough to drive on their own as he plans to roll out a driverless taxi service in several cities in the coming months.

The decision ends a four-year long case remarkable not just in its outcome but that it even made it to trial. Many similar cases against Tesla have been dismissed and, when that didn't happen, settled by the company to avoid the spotlight of a trial.

"This will open the floodgates," said Miguel Custodio, a car crash lawyer not involved in the Tesla case. "It will embolden a lot of people to come to court."

The case also included startling charges by lawyers for the family of the deceased, 22-year-old, Naibel Benavides Leon, and for her injured boyfriend, Dillon Angulo. They claimed Tesla either hid or lost key evidence, including data and video recorded seconds before the accident. Tesla said it made a mistake after being shown the evidence and honestly hadn't thought it was there.

"We finally learned what happened that night, that the car was actually defective," said Benavides' sister, Neima Benavides. "Justice was achieved."

esla has previously faced criticism that it is slow to cough up crucial data by relatives of other victims in Tesla crashes, accusations that the car company has denied. In this case, the plaintiffs showed Tesla had the evidence all along, despite its repeated denials, by hiring a forensic data expert who dug it up.

"Today's verdict is wrong," Tesla said in a statement, "and only works to set back automotive safety and jeopardize Tesla's and the entire industry's efforts to develop and implement lifesaving technology," They said the plaintiffs concocted a story "blaming the car when the driver - from day one - admitted and accepted responsibility."

In addition to a punitive award of $200 million, the jury said Tesla must also pay $43 million of a total $129 million in compensatory damages for the crash, bringing the total borne by the company to $243 million.

"It's a big number that will send shock waves to others in the industry," said financial analyst Dan Ives of Wedbush Securities. "It's not a good day for Tesla."

Tesla said it will appeal.

Even if that fails, the company says it will end up paying far less than what the jury decided because of a pre-trial agreement that limits punitive damages to three times Tesla's compensatory damages. Translation: $172 million, not $243 million. But the plaintiff says their deal was based on a multiple of all compensatory damages, not just Tesla's, and the figure the jury awarded is the one the company will have to pay.

It's not clear how much of a hit to Tesla's reputation for safety the verdict in the Miami case will make. Tesla has vastly improved its technology since the crash on a dark, rural road in Key Largo, Florida, in 2019.

But the issue of trust generally in the company came up several times in the case, including in closing arguments Thursday. The plaintiffs' lead lawyer, Brett Schreiber, said Tesla's decision to even use the term Autopilot showed it was willing to mislead people and take big risks with their lives because the system only helps drivers with lane changes, slowing a car and other tasks, falling far short of driving the car itself.

Schreiber said other automakers use terms like "driver assist" and "copilot" to make sure drivers don't rely too much on the technology.

"Words matter," Schreiber said. "And if someone is playing fast and lose with words, they're playing fast and lose with information and facts."

Schreiber acknowledged that the driver, George McGee, was negligent when he blew through flashing lights, a stop sign and a T-intersection at 62 miles an hour before slamming into a Chevrolet Tahoe that the couple had parked to get a look at the stars.

The Tahoe spun around so hard it was able to launch Benavides 75 feet through the air into nearby woods where her body was later found. It also left Angulo, who walked into the courtroom Friday with a limp and cushion to sit on, with broken bones and a traumatic brain injury.

But Schreiber said Tesla was at fault nonetheless. He said Tesla allowed drivers to act recklessly by not disengaging the Autopilot as soon as they begin to show signs of distraction and by allowing them to use the system on smaller roads that it was not designed for, like the one McGee was driving on.

"I trusted the technology too much," said McGee at one point in his testimony. "I believed that if the car saw something in front of it, it would provide a warning and apply the brakes."

The lead defense lawyer in the Miami case, Joel Smith, countered that Tesla warns drivers that they must keep their eyes on the road and hands on the wheel yet McGee chose not to do that while he looked for a dropped cellphone, adding to the danger by speeding. Noting that McGee had gone through the same intersection 30 or 40 times previously and hadn't crashed during any of those trips, Smith said that isolated the cause to one thing alone: "The cause is that he dropped his cellphone."

The auto industry has been watching the case closely because a finding of Tesla liability despite a driver's admission of reckless behavior would pose significant legal risks for every company as they develop cars that increasingly drive themselves.

[Horse]

The auto industry has been watching the case closely because a finding of Tesla liability despite a driver's admission of reckless behavior would pose significant legal risks for every company as they develop cars that increasingly drive themselves.

Which is why, AFAIK, every autonomous vehicle development programme in the UK, for several years, has included an insurance company in the consortium.

[Jody]

Stupid thick stupid customs agent at Roscoff.

My experience included repeatedly being told " I think you're lying, I have no evidence, but I think you're lying "

But where he really BMP. He asked for evidence/ invoices, I reached for my phone "they are no good on a phone, even a child can make a fake invoice with AI"

You know what else a child can do, press "send to printer".

HTF can he possibly think it's more legit if printed, than on my phone screen. It's the same damn thing !!

[mangocrazy]

Jury orders Tesla to pay more than $240 million in Autopilot crash case

So a combination of a stupid American who took Tesla's autopilot feature entirely literally and Tesla tacitly encouraging drivers to do so when the technology was not even remotely capable ends up with Tesla having to fork out $240 million and suffering significant reputational damage.

Who'd a thunk it?

The most chilling aspect to my mind is the fact that Tesla had the data all along, but lied through its corporate teeth and said it didn't, until a forensic investigator dug it up. Not exactly surprising, given that a fish rots from the head down, but still pretty damning. Whether Tesla is any worse than other car-makers (or indeed other major corporations) in this matter is moot of course.

[mangocrazy]

Stupid thick stupid customs agent at Roscoff.

My experience included repeatedly being told " I think you're lying, I have no evidence, but I think you're lying "

But where he really BMP. He asked for evidence/ invoices, I reached for my phone "they are no good on a phone, even a child can make a fake invoice with AI"

You know what else a child can do, press "send to printer".

HTF can he possibly think it's more legit if printed, than on my phone screen. It's the same damn thing !!

I presume this was on the French side? What was the item that this little spat was all about?

[Taipan]

Jury orders Tesla to pay more than $240 million in Autopilot crash case

So a combination of a stupid American who took Tesla's autopilot feature entirely literally and Tesla tacitly encouraging drivers to do so when the technology was not even remotely capable ends up with Tesla having to fork out $240 million and suffering significant reputational damage.

Who'd a thunk it?

The most chilling aspect to my mind is the fact that Tesla had the data all along, but lied through its corporate teeth and said it didn't, until a forensic investigator dug it up. Not exactly surprising, given that a fish rots from the head down, but still pretty damning. Whether Tesla is any worse than other car-makers (or indeed other major corporations) in this matter is moot of course.

The Merry Cans get the full fat version of autopilot over there compared to the UK version. It'd have to be a lot better than the limited beta version we get before I'd use it. I don't trust it at all and think its actually dangerous in a lot of situations as it gets easily confused.

My Tesla is an older car (2020) so maybe the later ones are technically better, but going by what I've read on the forums, I don't think they're any less dangerous. Frankly you'd have to be all kinds of stupid to sit back and let the car make all the driving decisions.

[Taipan]

Louis Spence bailing on celebrity SAS.

[Jody]

Stupid thick stupid customs agent at Roscoff.

My experience included repeatedly being told " I think you're lying, I have no evidence, but I think you're lying "

But where he really BMP. He asked for evidence/ invoices, I reached for my phone "they are no good on a phone, even a child can make a fake invoice with AI"

You know what else a child can do, press "send to printer".

HTF can he possibly think it's more legit if printed, than on my phone screen. It's the same damn thing !!

I presume this was on the French side? What was the item that this little spat was all about?

Natch.

he didn't like that I was bringing my bike and van over without re registering. Even though i explained that I would only be here for 2 months. Then he got excited about the boxes in the back of the van. It was things that I need to complete the van conversion. Swivel seat bases, a mattress, insulation, wall carpet etc. He would not listen that they were to be fitted to my van in my spare time while I'm in France so therefore do not need to be declared, because they are all coming back to the UK with me in October!!

[Cousin Jack]

Jury orders Tesla to pay more than $240 million in Autopilot crash case

So a combination of a stupid American who took Tesla's autopilot feature entirely literally and Tesla tacitly encouraging drivers to do so when the technology was not even remotely capable ends up with Tesla having to fork out $240 million and suffering significant reputational damage.

Who'd a thunk it?

The most chilling aspect to my mind is the fact that Tesla had the data all along, but lied through its corporate teeth and said it didn't, until a forensic investigator dug it up. Not exactly surprising, given that a fish rots from the head down, but still pretty damning. Whether Tesla is any worse than other car-makers (or indeed other major corporations) in this matter is moot of course.

The thing that worries me is that the salesman who sold my wife a Honda Jazz a few months ago claimed THAT was self driving too. Yes it has some driver aids, but self driving, it isn't even close!

[Mr. Dazzle]

All cars can be self driving for at least a little while.

[Cousin Jack]

All cars can be self driving for at least a little while.

This one will manage a mile or two, BUT.....
it needs a mway or dual cariageway, with VERY clear lane markings and a 'pilot' car in front to latch onto. Even then I don't trust it.

[KungFooBob]

The Pilot Assist system in my Volvo works great, I'm hoping the DAPP in the Beemer I pick up tomorrow works just well.

[gremlin]

All cars can be self driving for at least a little while.

Yep.

[MrLongbeard]

Great now even the low life estate agents are pissing about with AI images;

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/ ... el=RES_BUY



Door be gone, magic radiator appear





They must be some pretty slim cupboards its imagined



That's gonna be messy when you flush your morning movement away





Beauty salon be gone, magic shrubberies for all

[Taipan]

Didn't realise AI trumps misrepresentation! FFS...

[Felix]

Good 5 years ago i was helping a customer move home. She got Gilson Gray to sell her house and they wanted to take pictures of an empty home what is damn near impossible when still living in the house. They decided to take pictures and delete her old furniture and add in new. Wide angle lens made it all look fucking hideous and it was not getting any interest after three month. New pictures were taken with a 50/50 mix what was a tad more realistic and the house sold.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Didn't realise AI trumps misrepresentation! FFS...

"Look what you could do" innit.....not misrepresentation is it? Even if some of it would be a pretty terrible idea.