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[MyLittleStudPony]

You can forget about those so called supreme courts and the so called rule of law.

What matters is keeping it nice and Brexity. Getting it done, sending them to Rwanda and defending the statues - nice and Brexity.

[Cousin Jack]

One could be forgiven for thinking the reason we have a supreme court is to take an unbiased, unaligned view on how government policy stacks up against UK law. But maybe that's just my wishful thinking.

Willingness to just fuck all that off and keep your election promises is reason enough to boot someone IMO

I guess I agree, but who are the voters going to blame? The government who want to ship the economic migrants out of the UK, or the do-gooders who want to give them a yellow brick road into a council house somewhere near you soon?

I think this could make the majority double down and vote for someone even more right wing.

I think the Rwanda policy was stupid, and was never going to work anyway, BUT....

...I am less than happy that the Courts appear to be able to over-ride Parliament. IMO democracy should mean that Parliament makes the law, judges apply it. It seems to me that the Supreme court is making a takeover bid, and I am not happy at all. MPs are mostly wankers, but at least we have a chance to sack them every few years.

[Count Steer]

One could be forgiven for thinking the reason we have a supreme court is to take an unbiased, unaligned view on how government policy stacks up against UK law. But maybe that's just my wishful thinking.

Willingness to just fuck all that off and keep your election promises is reason enough to boot someone IMO

I guess I agree, but who are the voters going to blame? The government who want to ship the economic migrants out of the UK, or the do-gooders who want to give them a yellow brick road into a council house somewhere near you soon?

I think this could make the majority double down and vote for someone even more right wing.

I think the Rwanda policy was stupid, and was never going to work anyway, BUT....

...I am less than happy that the Courts appear to be able to over-ride Parliament. IMO democracy should mean that Parliament makes the law, judges apply it. It seems to me that the Supreme court is making a takeover bid, and I am not happy at all. MPs are mostly wankers, but at least we have a chance to sack them every few years.

Parliament does make the law, the courts apply it as it stands. If the Parliament/Government doesn't like it then they can try and change it. You can hardly expect the law to be applied as someone would like it to be.

[wheelnut]

...I am less than happy that the Courts appear to be able to over-ride Parliament. IMO democracy should mean that Parliament makes the law, judges apply it. It seems to me that the Supreme court is making a takeover bid, and I am not happy at all. MPs are mostly wankers, but at least we have a chance to sack them every few years.

Wasn't that the whole point? The government came up with a policy but didn't put in to legislation the means to enact its own policy.

The courts are absolutely correct in what they've said and how they've interpreted the current law. The problem is that government thought they could skip the pesky legislataive part.

[Potter]

Interesting that in that poll, even if the conservatives gain every Reform UK vote they still wouldn't beat Labour.
Maybe if they'd realised that a few years ago we could have done without all that culture wars wank they've been playing with to get a small amout of extreme right votes.

Its embarrassing to watch them running about like an angry child.

I think there's less people on the far right than the conservatives imagine there is. Hence the result of that poll.

Aside from a genuinely tiny amount of people I think the extreme right only exists in the UK as a figment of some peoples imagination.
It's the same old story, the hard left boomers thought that you were right wing if you voted for Blair, and the same people are now claiming that standing slightly to the left of centre is actually right wing

In general people are more educated with regard to politics than they've ever been, look at how they annihilated an extremist like Corbyn. You've still got the boomers who won't change their vote ever, but the younger generations that are hovering somewhere around the centre seem to be more flexible. In any event, regardless of what the polls say I still don't think the majority of the UK voters are that keen to vote Starmer/Rayner into Number Ten.

It would make my skin crawl voting for Sunak, but Starmer definitely isn't an easy choice.

[Mussels]

I'll vote for anyone who doesn't have a tax and spend policy.

[Count Steer]

Interesting that in that poll, even if the conservatives gain every Reform UK vote they still wouldn't beat Labour.
Maybe if they'd realised that a few years ago we could have done without all that culture wars wank they've been playing with to get a small amout of extreme right votes.

Its embarrassing to watch them running about like an angry child.

I think there's less people on the far right than the conservatives imagine there is. Hence the result of that poll.

Aside from a genuinely tiny amount of people I think the extreme right only exists in the UK as a figment of some peoples imagination.

It's an interesting perspective. I suppose the NF and BNP were quite small really. But then, the far left is probably quite small too. Maybe both sides of the House need to stop reacting to the outliers...and chuck them out of the parties/stop trying to be a tribute act to them/stop taking donations from them/stop trying to push the outliers further apart with dog-whistle politics.

I do suspect there are more votes to be trawled from the 'far right' than the 'far left' though and that's quite a driver if an MP thinks they're going to get kicked out into civvy Street.

[Cousin Jack]

...I am less than happy that the Courts appear to be able to over-ride Parliament. IMO democracy should mean that Parliament makes the law, judges apply it. It seems to me that the Supreme court is making a takeover bid, and I am not happy at all. MPs are mostly wankers, but at least we have a chance to sack them every few years.

Wasn't that the whole point? The government came up with a policy but didn't put in to legislation the means to enact its own policy.

The courts are absolutely correct in what they've said and how they've interpreted the current law. The problem is that government thought they could skip the pesky legislataive part.

Haven't really paid much attention over Rwanda, as I said it was a daft policy that was never going to work for more than a handful of people. It was just a stupid idea that should have been killed at birth.

However, didn't they have to make some sort of legislation to give themselves the power to deport people to Rwanda? Presumably that was enacted via Parliament? And now the Supreme Court is over-riding that legislation, whatever it was.

[Potter]

I do suspect there are more votes to be trawled from the 'far right' than the 'far left' though and that's quite a driver if an MP thinks they're going to get kicked out into civvy Street.

I think socialists claiming "rich people are swindling you out of money that should be in your pocket" has a lot more sway with the majority of disenfranchised than "Brown people are coming here and stealing your jobs".

There has been decade after decade of left-wing socialist narrative that rich people are deliberately keeping you poor, some of it might even be true from a certain perspective. But I think it's entirely fictitious that you can't get a decent job because a bloke from Bangladesh is going to steal it from you - you have to be stupid and a racist to swallow that one.

So the far right propaganda might appeal to those who are stupid, poor and a racist, where as the left wing propaganda only needs to find poor people with a chip on their shoulder, and there are millions of them.

It's frankly incredible, in fact it's astounding, that working people do not want to vote for a party that is supposed to be for working people.
Allowing extremists to run the Labour Party might have finished it forever.

[wheelnut]

However, didn't they have to make some sort of legislation to give themselves the power to deport people to Rwanda? Presumably that was enacted via Parliament? And now the Supreme Court is over-riding that legislation, whatever it was.

No, there never was any legislation (afaik), just a half-arsed policy. The courts can't override legislation, but they can override government policy if they believe it infringes current legisalation/law. The courts can't make law, they can only uphold/interpret current law.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Sunak is proposing to make that exact legislation now.

Court said its illegal. Change what's legal. In a nutshell.

[mangocrazy]

Allowing extremists to run the Labour Party might have finished it forever.

You actually think that Starmer is an extremist?

[demographic]

Sunak is proposing to make that exact legislation now.

Court said its illegal. Change what's legal. In a nutshell.

This is the sting, it was never really about a few hundred asylum seekers, it was about changing the laws for everyone in the UK and to get us to clamour to give our rights away.
It's not over yet.

[Dodgy69]

Where do all the Rowandan refugees go, if it's such an unsafe place.

[Count Steer]

I do suspect there are more votes to be trawled from the 'far right' than the 'far left' though and that's quite a driver if an MP thinks they're going to get kicked out into civvy Street.

So the far right propaganda might appeal to those who are stupid, poor and a racist, where as the left wing propaganda only needs to find poor people with a chip on their shoulder, and there are millions of them.

It's frankly incredible, in fact it's astounding, that working people do not want to vote for a party that is supposed to be for working people.

I don't totally disagree, but, riddle me this, if voting had an intelligence bar that people had to get over in order to vote*, how do you think it would impact GE results? a) as the system is now b) if voting was compulsory?

* Which I've stated I'd be in favour of but my solution to that one is to offer education, education, education as someone once said. I'd rather live in an educated population than not.

PS I haven't voted Labour for years. I do have my party membership card from 1984 though as I thought it was quite iconic.

[Cousin Jack]

I have never joined a political party. i have however voted for all 3 major parties in assorted elections. I am a floating voter, and IMO all sensible people should be. I vote for the party I think has the best policies to deal with the current issues, not the one that has the best bar/cheapest beer.

[Cousin Jack]

Sunak is proposing to make that exact legislation now.

Court said its illegal. Change what's legal. In a nutshell.

It is a daft idea, best just to forget it. If he dies the legislation it is still only going to ship out a few 00s of people. And it will cost a fortune.

[Potter]

Allowing extremists to run the Labour Party might have finished it forever.

You actually think that Starmer is an extremist?

No I don't think he's an extremist, I think he's a rather slow moving academic type who wouldn't make a good PM, but he's not an extremist, at least not in where he stands on the political spectrum anyway.

[Mussels]

Allowing extremists to run the Labour Party might have finished it forever.

You actually think that Starmer is an extremist?

No I don't think he's an extremist, I think he's a rather slow moving academic type who wouldn't make a good PM, but he's not an extremist, at least not in where he stands on the political spectrum anyway.

I didn't think you were talking about Starmer.

[DefTrap]

I don't totally disagree, but, riddle me this, if voting had an intelligence bar that people had to get over in order to vote*, how do you think it would impact GE results? a) as the system is now b) if voting was compulsory?

Just watching the evening news - a young woman is complaining that a "miracle dieting drug" that she bought via an Instagram account (interview cuts to video footage from said Instagram account where some absolute freaky monster with an incredible amount of plastic surgery - including what seems to be buttock implants - badly 'demonstrates' how you're supposed to administer some really hooky looking unbranded vials of liquid) that subsequently made her really ill. It's dressed up like a really really low rent version of Watchdog. I mean what next? Don't drill your eyeballs?

These are the same people that have spent three years being adamant that covid vaccine testing was bodged because "my opinion (that I might have got from Facebook ) is valid", they're sick "of science" and is definitely part of some global conspiracy.

So yes, an IQ test to weed out the morons. I'm not bothered if that means less chance of "my favoured party" being elected. But fwiw, Brexit wouldn't have happened, so there.